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Post by Ms.Thang Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:34 pm

In medical terms "dislocado" would apply to a joint not an entire extremity.
Desprendido definitely means it was detached from the body. Ick.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:11 pm

Ricardo, thank for once again providing an excellent translation. It is appreciated.
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Post by Dr. Sam Thelin Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:02 pm

1.  The arm was removed by a very clean circular cut. It was not broken off (fact).

2.  It was apparently the result of some drunken argument which led to a fight (no one may ever know all the details).

3.  The authorities caught who did it in a matter of just a few hours.

4.  It is not likely that many people personally know how hard the investigators work on solving crimes here. They work many, and often late hours, and are awoken in the middle of the night to go out and investigate crimes. They do not make a lot of money for what they do. That said, the office of the Ministerio Publico feels it is important that they are better enabled to communicate with the foreign population. The agents of the office (I think there are 7?) are going to be taking formal English classes. The classes will be paid, but they are in Guadalajara. There is still a need for transportation to GDL and other related expenses. If anyone is interested in contributing to this, please contact me.

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Post by court0503 Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:54 am

Why guadalajara? There are Many good options locally

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Post by Pedro Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:00 am

we know a mexican woman who is not only a school teacher but also teaches mexican adults english right here in chapala.
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Post by lunateak Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:15 am

Possible contract with the state may already exist for these classes? Just a thought.
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Post by Dr. Sam Thelin Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:18 am

I already discussed the option of teaching in Chapala. The office has a specific place they want to teach (likely due to topics and terminology).

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Post by hockables Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:43 am

Probably lost a Arm & a Leg in a Poker Game
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Post by Pedro Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:56 am

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:I already discussed the option of teaching in Chapala. The office has a specific place they want to teach (likely due to topics and terminology).
that makes sense and for sure will take some time
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Post by vetteforron Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:55 am

May I ask your source?

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:1.  The arm was removed by a very clean circular cut. It was not broken off (fact).

2.  It was apparently the result of some drunken argument which led to a fight (no one may ever know all the details).

3.  The authorities caught who did it in a matter of just a few hours.

4.  It is not likely that many people personally know how hard the investigators work on solving crimes here. They work many, and often late hours, and are awoken in the middle of the night to go out and investigate crimes. They do not make a lot of money for what they do. That said, the office of the Ministerio Publico feels it is important that they are better enabled to communicate with the foreign population. The agents of the office (I think there are 7?) are going to be taking formal English classes. The classes will be paid, but they are in Guadalajara. There is still a need for transportation to GDL and other related expenses. If anyone is interested in contributing to this, please contact me.

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Post by Dr. Sam Thelin Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:04 am

vetteforron wrote:May I ask your source?

No.

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Post by vetteforron Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:19 am

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:
vetteforron wrote:May I ask your source?

No.

Thanks for a good rumor.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:20 am

Since Dr. Sam works at Cruz Roja (and works closely with the police in his capacity), his reports are generally considered to be several grades above rumor. He lets people know as much as he can. Seldom is his source one of the things he can reveal.
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Post by vetteforron Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:30 am

The coroner report said he was drunk and fell in the kitchen and hit his head and bleed a lot. Also there was vomit. Because there was blood there was an investigation.
I think also because of the recent murders in la floresta there is much ado nada.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:47 am

If you are so connected that you are seeing the coroner´s reports, you don´t need web board information.
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Post by CanuckBob Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:18 am

vetteforron wrote:The coroner report said he was drunk and fell in the kitchen and hit his head and bleed a lot. Also there was vomit. Because there was blood there was an investigation.
I think also because of the recent murders in la floresta there is much ado nada.

So you are saying that this has gone from a "strangulation and arm severing" murder to a drunken self induced accident?
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Post by Ricardo Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:34 am

CanuckBob wrote:
vetteforron wrote:The coroner report said he was drunk and fell in the kitchen and hit his head and bleed a lot. Also there was vomit. Because there was blood there was an investigation.
I think also because of the recent murders in la floresta there is much ado nada.

So you are saying that this has gone from a "strangulation and arm severing" murder to a drunken self induced accident?
And the location from under a trailer to inside a kitchen.

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Post by espíritu del lago Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:43 am

Popcorn plz.
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Post by vetteforron Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:14 am

First I have heard good things about Dr. Sam.
I was there 20 feet away. There was no arm under the class a motor home. The owners of the park were in contact with the coraner office. My scorce. John was a drunk which had fell and broke ribs before.

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Post by espíritu del lago Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:50 am

So why all the disinformation in the newspaper article?
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Post by Ms.Thang Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:28 pm

Were there two arms attached to the victim? Or was there maybe one on the kitchen floor or somewhere?

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Post by Lady Otter Latté Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:35 pm

Espiritu, do you want butter on that popcorn?
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Post by lunateak Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:03 pm

While TOB may profess to dispense more useful information you've got to appreciate the value of cheap entertainment provided by this board with it's ability to allow any information/rumor.

I'll pop the corn!
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Post by Smartalex Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:18 pm

Let's add this to the mix. A two-day-old Milenio story identifies the deceased as John Paul Ateel, age 76. The story says his left arm was mutilated and the body has been taken to the forensics lab for autopsy, results of which are pending. The story also says that some of Ateel's belongings were found in a car parked nearby. Hmmm.......

http://www.milenio.com/jalisco/Muerte-extranjero-rina_0_250175018.html
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Post by Pedro Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:27 pm

looks like the newspapers are having trouble with this too. in any event ron lives there in a trailer and no doubt knew this guy ateel well.
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Post by espíritu del lago Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:29 pm

Why are the papers so wrong on this?
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