Murder in Jocotepec

unfortunately if a perp wants to enter anywhere., for any reason , they will.

Actually, the first article I posted which was dated Feb 28 was titled "Tranquil Roca Azul unfazed by death".
"The Motorhome Where John Paul Ateel was killed" was a caption next to a photo that didn't post when I copied and pasted it.

Isn't that an odd, not to mention disrespectful title? And the two paragraph infomercial about the park at the end? Who does that?

Body was found by a park employee, not an owner. The park has a manned entrance, not locked, except at night, and the sub-division also has a manned entrance, so anyone coming in to the park would have been noticed by at least one of the people at the entrances.
My questions are; how did the suspects lock the motor home when they left?? ( I know that the door was locked, I observed the police enter the window to unlock the door from the inside); How did these guys torture this person and no one heard anything? And, I would like to know how much blood is in the RV. If his arm was in fact cut off, there would be a substantial amount of blood. (I think I will take a peak inside, since this crucial piece of evidence is still parked in a public place with no security.)

If they severed the arm post mortem then there would not be any "torturous screams" nor would there be much blood at all since the heart has stopped beating.

the GR report was hilarious. There's no way that if the man died of natural causes that the Mexican police would have found suspects.

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Some snowbird friends from Roca were over today and while they are compassionate about the man dying they are unconcerned and say they couldn't care less whether it was a murder or if the guy died of natural causes.

They don't feel that their security has been compromised and laughed off the Roca lies and coverup.

I can't figure out why that bothers me. . .

Realistically you can walk up the beach to Roca Azul - gates or no gates.

That's what they said happened.

Trailrunner, part of it may be wondering if we have become so callous that it "does not matter" if a neighbor (even an unpopular one) is murdered. How can you not care that someone´s life was taken from him?

Lady, that could well be a part of it.
I also think nothing really has to matter too much to snowbirds. They had no outrage. They're tourists, really, and they either leave early and don't come back or they come back next year or they go to Florida. No big deal to them. As long as it's still warm and fun the rest of what happens here is a small blip on their radar.
Me? I'm outraged that "my" newspaper handled it the way it did. I'm outraged that Roca concocted an elaborate cover up.
Ah well. I'll get over it.

Trailrunner wrote:Lady, that could well be a part of it.  
I also think nothing really has to matter too much to snowbirds.  They had no outrage.  They're tourists, really, and they either leave early and don't come back or they come back next year or they go to Florida.  No big deal to them.  As long as it's still warm and fun the rest of what happens here is a small blip on their radar.
Me?  I'm outraged that "my" newspaper handled it the way it did.  I'm outraged that Roca concocted an elaborate cover up.  
Ah well.  I'll get over it.

So now you are the moral majority? Actually I am a snowbird who owns property close by Roca Azul and I find your statements offensive.

motherofburros wrote:

Trailrunner wrote:Lady, that could well be a part of it.  
I also think nothing really has to matter too much to snowbirds.  They had no outrage.  They're tourists, really, and they either leave early and don't come back or they come back next year or they go to Florida.  No big deal to them.  As long as it's still warm and fun the rest of what happens here is a small blip on their radar.
Me?  I'm outraged that "my" newspaper handled it the way it did.  I'm outraged that Roca concocted an elaborate cover up.  
Ah well.  I'll get over it.

So now you are the moral majority?  Actually I am a snowbird who owns property close by Roca Azul and I find your statements offensive.

this persons statement warrants no attention whatsoever,motherofburrows. i know snowbirds who have contributed much to the community.

I've noticed that some full-timers demonstrate the same cavalier attitude that Trailrunner saw in the snowbirds. Nothing to do with us, he was involved with drugs/he shouldn't have resisted the robbery/they should have had better protection/he was gay/We're not targets/ bad things happen everywhere. Some of them, snowbirds and full-timers alike, are still looking through NOB eyes and they are not aware of Mexican reality.

Of course the economic fallout of crime hits closer to home for property owners. But a lot of snowbirds do own property here.

I think the sheer callousness (and possibly the sheer ignorance) comes from individual personalities and value systems, not from being a snowbird or not. Some people just don't have empathy for their fellow man. They probably don't care about certain categories of people back home either. Others choose to build up an inner defense mechanism so they can continue to enjoy life here without feeling afraid or upset. If they can convince themselves that the victims "deserved it" or were unimportant people whose death didn't matter, they can believe that bad things won't happen to fine upstanding people like themselves.

thesarge7 wrote:Body was found by a park employee, not an owner. The park has a manned entrance, not locked, except at night, and the sub-division also has a manned entrance, so anyone coming in to the park would have been noticed by at least one of the people at the entrances.
  My questions are; how did the suspects lock the motor home when they left?? ( I know that the door was locked, I observed the police enter the window to unlock the door from the inside); How did these guys torture this person and no one heard anything? And, I would like to know how much blood is in the RV. If his arm was in fact cut off, there would be a substantial amount of blood. (I think I will take a peak inside, since this crucial piece of evidence is still parked in a public place with no security.)

Someone other than the police went into the RV and found the body, came out and locked up before calling the police.

There is a big difference between the Floresta home invasion and this murder. Both are terrible. But we can relate more to Nina and Ed. The man in Joco had bad friends, also drank. The odds of trouble were high. Floresta is a good lesson about home security, more frightening.

OK, I am man enough to admit I was wrong about the whole things. The park owners are now saying that it was in fact a murder. I haven't spoken to them personally, but they claim to "not have known this" from the beginning. I don't know how this can be since the park employee that found the body (which, by the way, he only observed the body from the window, he never went in except later, through another window and in the presence of the police) told me that he observed the deceased, INTACT!! Both arms attached!!??? So, either they knew, and lied to us, or they didn't tell us the truth??? Figure that one out!!
The suspect is in fact well known by many residents and did in fact work for many of them, and spoke English very well. He spent a lot of time in this park and around the residents. He even brought his wife and kids with him when he did his work!! We gave his kids candy!
It seems that we were given different versions by the park AND the media. I don't know what to say about the park's intentions and how they handled the situation. It created quite a stir and uncomfortable feelings with the residents.
I can say that I personally still feel very safe here. This was not a random act and was a personal issue with the suspect and the victim. AND, by the way, REGARDLESS , of what kind of lifestyle John had, or who he hung out with, NO ONE DESERVES TO BE KILLED over a $200 debt. He was a human being, someone's father, son and friend and should be remembered as such. I am sure we all know someone who has succumbed to the evils of alcohol. He tried more than once to kick it, but couldn't.
It is another very sad situation.

 

No one deserves to be killed for a debt. He did get involved with a culture that acts out more dramatically than ours. And he was drunk and did not think clearly. A bad combination all around.

Don't be too hard on yourself Sarge, this is the land of "nothing is as it seems" and lots of people lie. Thank you for your report and your integrity. I'm very happy the Sanchez brothers have stepped up to the truth plate. Too bad they had to be pursuaded.

I think the GR now needs to apologize for treating the report of this murder as an infomercial.

RIP, John.

Trailrunner wrote:Don't be too hard on yourself Sarge, this is the land of "nothing is as it seems" and lots of people lie. Thank you for your report and your integrity. I'm very happy the Sanchez brothers have stepped up to the truth plate. Too bad they had to be pursuaded.

I think the GR now needs to apologize for treating the report of this murder as an infomercial.

RIP, John.

Glad to see others found that bit of the Reporters story of this tragic episode to be totally tasteless and offensive. Makes one wonder if they have shares in the trailer park and are hoping to sell the newly vacated spot.... so sad that a human life is so easily dismissed.

Was hoping to see an apology or letter to the editor regarding that offensive infomercial article in this last issue. Nada.
Shame on you, GR. Maybe some reporter got a free weekend at the park for himself and his family. . .

GR was always tasteless. Look at some of their older headlines, it's a joke.

Can you recommend an alternative publication?

In regards to the interviews given to Guad' reporter.

Try taking a recorder and microphone around town or a trailer park and see what y'all get told, from the public at large.

It's not about what they were told, it's about the manner in which it was reported.  As in the last 2 paragraphs of the article about a man who was murdered in the trailer park that was a thinly disguised commercial for the amenities of the trailer park.

Oh, and despite what reporters are told, GOOD ones are able to do some digging and come up with the real story and print that. GOOD reporters, that is.