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Post by Jreboll Sat May 16, 2020 10:37 pm

Extra corporeal membrane oxygenation. Same as the heart lung machine they use for cardiac surgery except that the chest is not opened so they drain the blood from the femoral vein, oxygenate it, and pump it back through the femoral artery. The flows are not as high because the lungs are still being ventilated so it’s called partial bypass as compared to full bypass during cardiac surgery.

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Post by ferret Sat May 16, 2020 11:24 pm

The cross matching is the easy part. Finding the donors with a correct titre of antibodies, that are virus free for two weeks and following all the other rules for blood donation (including age and Hgb. level) are making this a tough go. Better than nothing since, if all the criteria are met, each donor can treat 2 to 3 patients.
This is a good read and also the links at the bottom of it...
https://www.hematology.org/covid-19/covid-19-and-convalescent-plasma

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Post by CanuckBob Sun May 17, 2020 10:03 am

Mexico is reporting 47,485 confirmed cases this morning. They are slowly climbing the leader board, now in 17th place. Probably surpass China in two weeks with an average of over 2000 new cases everyday. The interesting anomoly is the recovery rate is at 67%, much higher that most other countries. The average world recovery is 38%.

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Post by HoneyBee Sun May 17, 2020 10:52 am

Its becoming difficult to believe the daily confirmed cases per country. Just looking at Brazil's numbers makes me think that we will only know the truth say in a couple of years when death numbers a compared from year to year. Shocked

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Post by Jreboll Sun May 17, 2020 11:06 am

When you have limited tests you’re not going to swab the dead or bother to do autopsies.

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Post by HoneyBee Sun May 17, 2020 12:06 pm

Thanks for confirming what I was thinking for awhile now, meaning that higher confirmed rates seems to go hand in hand with availability of test kits.

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Post by Trailrunner Sun May 17, 2020 12:27 pm

Jreboll wrote:When you have limited tests you’re not going to swab the dead or bother to do autopsies.
And when you have a Presidente who doesn't believe there is any benefit to testing, numbers hold little relevance.
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Post by HoneyBee Sun May 17, 2020 1:00 pm

According to my president Ueli Maurer the world is not flat. Very Happy

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Post by HoneyBee Sun May 17, 2020 1:17 pm

Correction its Simonetta Sommaruga (hard to keep track when they change every year as should be in all democracies)

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Post by slainte39 Sun May 17, 2020 4:15 pm

CanuckBob wrote:Mexico is reporting 47,485 confirmed cases this morning. They are slowly climbing the leader board, now in 17th place. Probably surpass China in two weeks with an average of over 2000 new cases everyday. The interesting anomoly is the recovery rate is at 67%, much higher that most other countries. The average world recovery is 38%.

Younger population in general?  Less older people in nursing homes as more live with families? Warmer weather? Blood types? Herd immunity? Less prison population (the US has more prisoners than any other nation) ? Less large packing plants (more small carnicerías in Mexico)? Less travel by the citizenry of Mexico within the country compared to US? Many more remote areas of Mexico where they do not get a lot of non local traffic?
Cd. de Mexico is the worst and the most congested, then the border towns where people are crossing back and forth all the time.
Mexico has less than 1/3 the population of the US.
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Post by mudgirl Sun May 17, 2020 4:26 pm

slainte- I think Mexico has far more cases than reported. I don't think they have a lower infection rate per capita- they don't have adequate testing. All those things you mention could be factors in a lower infection rate than other places, I just don't believe the stats. And Mexican families tend to have a large number of people living in the home, and as far as I've seen, are not being particularly cautious about distancing, and many aren't wearing masks. Those factors alone would counteract the factors you mention. Grandma may not be in a nursing home, but she's exposed to the rest of the family who may be coming and going from home without taking any precautions.

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Post by slainte39 Sun May 17, 2020 5:00 pm

Good points and could be true, BUT how can anyone say, other than think, what the real numbers are. It´s a guessing game which I don´t have the resources to contradict factually.
I know one thing, if I wasn´t living alone, I would rather be in the home of one of my large progeny families than some nursing home in the US or Mexico.  I have two sets of consuegros living in my children´s home with the grandkids, three generations, and they are doing well. No way would I want to be in a nursing home.
And yes, some people are not being careful, but don´t you think or believe for one minute that´s the way all, or even a majority of Mexican families are.
You know we read, watch TV, and know what the protocols are. I have 6 grand daughters doing on line schooling and I would be safe to say they are as well informed as the so called "more informed" foreigner´s posting on this board.

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Post by slainte39 Sun May 17, 2020 5:11 pm

Sorry for the semi-rant, but I know so many Mexican families with kids in school and grand parents living with them that I just couldn´t let that pass.  I mean, I see these people all the time at family events, school functions, social events, etc. ; and 90% of my time is in the pure Mexican world. I know how most of them are living now and dealing with this crisis as we are communicating all the time by phone, Instagram, WhatsApp, you name it.

Just because you are called abuelito instead of grandpa, doesn´t mean that you are less loved, cared for, or be given all the precautions.

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Post by CanuckBob Sun May 17, 2020 5:33 pm

Well I would bet that Mexico has 8 to 10 times the infections that have been reported. This info came right from the Mexican health minister. That would put them at roughly 400k to 480k infected which would be the number 2 spot behind the US. It is what it is and we may never know until its all over via vaccination, medical cure or herd immunity of approximately 70%.

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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 18, 2020 9:42 am

Mexico is reporting 47,145 confirmed cases this morning. They say only 1 new infection in the previous 24 hours? Go figure.

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Post by ferret Mon May 18, 2020 10:41 am

I received this e-mail from a friend this morning. It's about perspective...

> For a small amount of perspective during these crazy times, imagine you were an American born in 1900. When you are 14, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday with 22 million people killed. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you are 20. Fifty million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
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> When you're 29, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, global GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet.
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> When you're 41, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war and the Holocaust kills six million. At 52, the Korean War starts and five million perish.
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> At 64 the Vietnam War begins, and it doesn’t end for many years. Four million people die in that conflict. Approaching your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, could well have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
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> As you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends. Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? A kid in 1985 didn’t think their 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. Yet those grandparents (and now great grandparents) survived through everything listed above.
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> Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass.
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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 18, 2020 10:46 am

Amen, other than you left out Aids, Sars, Ebola, Hong Kong flu, Swine flu, H1N1, etc.

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Post by ferret Mon May 18, 2020 10:55 am

Those came after the end of the Vietnam war and I copied it verbatim from the e-mail. It also leaves out polio and many of the other genocides committed on the face of the earth.
The point being that the human population is remarkably resilient in the face of adversity.
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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 18, 2020 11:03 am

Adapt and carry on!!!

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Post by ferret Mon May 18, 2020 12:33 pm

Exactly!

I am happy this young man survived but it is yet another aspect of coronavirus that is not understood well...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/straight-up-fire-in-his-veins-teen-battles-new-coronavirus-syndrome/ar-BB14dzp6

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Post by mudgirl Mon May 18, 2020 9:23 pm

slainte39 wrote:Sorry for the semi-rant, but I know so many Mexican families with kids in school and grand parents living with them that I just couldn´t let that pass.

Didn't seem like a semi-rant to me, slainte. I understand- I have Mexican family, too. One of my daughters is married to a Mexican and I have 3 Mexican/Canadian grandchildren. They live in Baja, so I haven't seen first-hand how cautious they are being re the virus. I talk to my daughter on the phone, and she says they are taking good precautions, but I know she also tells me what she thinks I want to hear sometimes so I'm not anxious.
I just know what I'm seeing here where I live- lots of local Mexicans out and about with no masks, not distancing even slightly. There are also those who are acting responsibly. I drove from Sayulita to PV today to do a major shopping trip, which I hadn't done in a month. As I drove through Bucerias, I'd say about 1% of the Mexicans were wearing masks while standing around near other people. When I crossed the state line into Jalisco, almost everyone I passed was wearing a mask. On my way back, I stopped at Mega to finish the last of my shopping. Half the store employees didn't have their masks over their nose, and there was a young woman working in the customer service dept who had no mask at all. She was moving really close to me and I asked her to please back off and asked why she wasn't wearing a mask. This prompted some snotty giggling in the direction of the other woman who was working there, who was wearing her mask properly.
Hey, I know there's Covidiots everywhere, in all countries. But since I live here, the behavior here is what concerns me.

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Post by CanuckBob Tue May 19, 2020 9:39 am

Mexico is reporting 51,633 confirmed cases this morning.

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Post by ElNido Tue May 19, 2020 10:44 am

ferret wrote:I received this e-mail from a friend this morning. It's about perspective...

> For a small amount of perspective during these crazy times, imagine you were an American born in 1900. When you are 14, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday with 22 million people killed. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you are 20. Fifty million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
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> When you're 29, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, global GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet.
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> When you're 41, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war and the Holocaust kills six million. At 52, the Korean War starts and five million perish.
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> At 64 the Vietnam War begins, and it doesn’t end for many years. Four million people die in that conflict. Approaching your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, could well have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
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> As you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends. Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? A kid in 1985 didn’t think their 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. Yet those grandparents (and now great grandparents) survived through everything listed above.
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> Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass.


The Great Depression ended in 1933?

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Post by ferret Tue May 19, 2020 1:33 pm

https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Depression

The U.S. recovery began in the spring of 1933. Output grew rapidly in the mid-1930s: real GDP rose at an average rate of 9 percent per year between 1933 and 1937. Output had fallen so deeply in the early years of the 1930s, however, that it remained substantially below its long-run trend path throughout this period. In 1937–38 the United States suffered another severe downturn, but after mid-1938 the American economy grew even more rapidly than in the mid-1930s. The country’s output finally returned to its long-run trend path in 1942.
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Post by caligirl108 Tue May 19, 2020 11:19 pm

Mexico as a country has a number of heath status advantages which should not be discounted including strong gut bacteria, probably even more extensive than India w its poverty. With sometimes marginal sanitation standards, exposure to virus & bacteria, its adapt or go down.  The 3 generations living together gives further viral/bacteria load daily.  Herd immunity happens fast.  In the US, a high proportion of people live alone, w workplace exposure & weak systems which produce lots of colds, stomach issues, etc. Any many Big Pharma meds are sold. Huge, actually.  Ad polluted cities, air conditioned living, inactivity/TV watching &  not much sun = lifestyle is of detriment.  In Mexico, maybe Covid will turn out to be just another virus among 40,000 in our systems, enter & mutate w the vast flora.  The obese, diabetic & hypertensive ones who chug Coca Cola(ruins Gut bacteria) & abuse alcohol will fare poorly as in any industrialized country.

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Post by CanuckBob Wed May 20, 2020 8:40 am

Mexico is reporting 54,346 confirmed cases this morning.

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