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Post by Jreboll Mon May 11, 2020 6:44 pm

A complete picture of the effects of this virus will take many months and probably years to develop. We do know some of these resolved cases are being left with long term sequelae, some identified, and some to be recognized later.

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Post by BisbeeGal Tue May 12, 2020 5:13 pm

The GDL Reporter is going to do a story on Dr. Lupita Cevallos and her COVID tests, etc.  

The Reporter's FB page posted this (publicly) on 5/11/2019 afternoon:
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Physician reports Covid-19 cases in Chapala

Although official records show no confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the municipality of Chapala, a well-respected local doctor begs to differ, citing personal experience as both attending physician and patient of the disease.
Dr. Lupita Cevallos, a general practitioner who has lived and worked at lakeside for the past 11 years, tells the Guadalajara Reporter that she had contact with a patient showing severe symptoms of SARS-Cov-2 infection on April 14. The person was airlifted to a Texas hospital where the diagnosis was confirmed 72 hours later, she says.
Understanding the risks, Cevallos immediately put herself into self-isolation. She began feeling Covid-19 symptoms 10 days later. She says she has been tested for the disease twice since then.
An oral PCR test applied at the Jocotepec Community Hospital on April 25 came back negative. A nasopharyngeal PCR test practiced three days later at an authorized private laboratory in Guadalajara was also negative, but Cevallos says a blood serum test for IgG antibodies suggested that she had been exposed to the disease and is not currently infectious.
After recovering from her symptoms and regaining her strength, the doctor returned to work at her Integrity health clinic in Ajijic on Monday, May 11. She reports that her Covid-19 patient remains in intensive care in Texas. Through contact tracing she has determined that none of her other patients have contracted the disease.
“People need to know that they can have the disease and still be negative in the tests. It is definitely happening in the area,” she concludes.
(This is a summary of an extensive article to be published in the next edition of The Reporter.)
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Post by CanuckBob Wed May 13, 2020 8:42 am

Mexico is reporting 38,324 confirmed cases this morning.

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Post by ferret Wed May 13, 2020 9:26 am

I guess you would call this Voluntary Tracking but it's very interesting...and if it helps then I'm all for it.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-research-reveals-way-predict-142857070.html

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Post by TomQC Wed May 13, 2020 10:11 am

Hope everyone is safe and please, please be careful!  As Yogi Berra once said, "it's not over till it's over"!

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Post by Jreboll Wed May 13, 2020 10:34 am

I don’t know how true this, but 66 doctors have died?!
https://news.yahoo.com/mexico-coronavirus-kills-111-medical-013407302.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cueWFob28uY29tLz9fZ3VjX2NvbnNlbnRfc2tpcD0xNTg5MzM4NzMz&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIRd_FzoU6ZZgU7Cl9nvp4KJCo21oaDKiRlVjhkAv7pR7g2D2IY58Uu1xZPexu_Ekps_NbdocgJzyGu2a1PdkRBHUqcTHUwxWebTGTPcgIyW86egvlZmzq-gID4YavkEj_rwYtXc20pzrYks7BntsIHLsZ0FV9BWNcNZf_NeBgSR

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Post by CanuckBob Wed May 13, 2020 8:10 pm

This afternoon the governor gives the green light to open most everything next week with proper safety protocols.......yahoooo!!!

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Post by mudgirl Wed May 13, 2020 9:57 pm

Jreboll wrote:I don’t know how true this, but 66 doctors have died?!

I wouldn't doubt it at all. Apparently the entire staff of the San Pancho, Nayarit hospital have tested positive. Doctors in Tijuana, which sounds like a COVID war zone, have been screaming for protective equipment for weeks now. A hospital administrator told nurses at a hospital in Puebla, if I remember correctly, not to wear masks (which they had purchased themselves, as none were made available to them) because it would frighten the patients.

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Post by caligirl108 Wed May 13, 2020 10:34 pm

Another Darwin event ~ the IMSS & public sector clinic facilities don't have toilet paper, much less PPEs.. as of a few days ago, 70% of Guadalajara Covid inpatients (90 people) were in public sector facilities. And hospital staff feeling apprehension of what they felt was a 20% increase in cases... LAST week. Mexico City hospitals are saturated (public & private), so where do you think sick CDMX people will come now.. yeah, GDL = 550 km, 6 hours away.

The Monclova hospital where an ER patient died as well as his doctor, nursing staff massively infected - no PPE, and then a Monterrey clinic where medical interns were left with a 1:80 patient ratio..[ MDs decided not to come in] again totally unprepared, no protection & contagion potential high.  

Today there was a peak to date of 2,000 confirmed cases, w minuscule testing being done. Guad prison now infected - 45 y/o former Zeta leader died last week.. And next week, May 17 = no social distancing needed?? just wow.

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Post by ferret Wed May 13, 2020 10:40 pm

Possibly helpful, maybe not... I hope it works.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/sitting-freezer-years-potential-sars-165150334.html

I think they were smart to put their work in deep freeze. Please note that their work hit a funding wall in 2016. Hmmm. Wonder where we'd be right now if the funding hadn't dried up.
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Post by ferret Wed May 13, 2020 10:43 pm

caligirl108, sorry, I was posting at the same time as you. Horrific report. Is there any chance that you could post the link from where your information came? T.I.A.
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Post by Jreboll Wed May 13, 2020 10:43 pm

Jalisco shows 636 cases with 55 deaths or 8.6% fatality. While my county in Texas has 544 cases and 25 deaths with death rate of 4.6%
It seems Jalisco is not doing enough testing.

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Post by ferret Wed May 13, 2020 11:19 pm

On the subject of testing, another way in the works...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/harvard-and-mit-researchers-are-developing-a-face-mask-that-lights-up-when-it-detects-the-coronavirus/ar-BB142kmQ

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Post by mudgirl Wed May 13, 2020 11:53 pm

ferret wrote:On the subject of testing, another way in the works...

Wow. I said to someone a couple weeks ago, wouldn't it be great if the virus glowed fluorescent pink or something, so you could see exactly where it is.
Just read today that they've found that droplets just from someone speaking hang in the air for up to 12 minutes. And the louder someone speaks, the more droplets and the farther they travel. Which the article said makes wearing a mask even more important. So stay even farther away from people who talk loud than you do from others.

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Post by WillieRae Thu May 14, 2020 8:01 am

Yes, they have come from Cd. Mexico...as our neighbors did over a month ago! They are not usually full time residents here but can certainly understand why they came at this time..a huge van full of family.

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Post by CanuckBob Thu May 14, 2020 8:08 am

Mexico is reporting 40,226 confirmed cases this morning.

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Post by Jreboll Thu May 14, 2020 8:21 am

In our county they found out that after they relaxed the preconditions for providing the test that the number of cases spiked.
Same will happen in Mexico.

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Post by BisbeeGal Thu May 14, 2020 8:53 am

This is why masks are so important.

The experiment was of any droplets expelled in any conversation. They stay suspended in air for over EIGHT minutes (and potentially much longer).

Open access since WaPo is allowing anyone to read their Cobid articles.
WaPo Article Human Speech Droplets
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Post by ferret Thu May 14, 2020 9:26 am

And heaven only knows how far they go and how long they last when people are foaming at the mouth in anger and frustration.
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Post by Jreboll Thu May 14, 2020 11:07 am

This is by word of mouth: there is an old Mexican singer in some hospital in Mexico City suffering from covid-19. His wife was interviewed yesterday on television and she mentioned a medication that would cost her 400,000 pesos but she couldn’t find it. Now as you may know, in Mexico sometimes a hospital will tell relatives what is needed and then it’s up to the relatives to procure it. I don’t know who the singer but I believe he is Asian-Mexican., very well known and dear to many.
Some time ago I mentioned some medications and supplements to load up on and it didn’t go over well with some on this board.





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Post by Trailrunner Thu May 14, 2020 11:17 am

Check this out! It's DIC!

May 9, 2020
Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists have shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot. The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in-home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous micro thrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyper reaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later.
Link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/autopsies-prove-covid-19-disseminated-intravascular-coagulation-coté?fbclid=IwAR0Rtpd2Ehv6_poUHv8Hp5jEmrkt7G5EMOrU92YQOvW5i0vQ91ZcLpmeRj0
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Post by Jreboll Thu May 14, 2020 11:39 am

This goes well with observations that oxygen saturation’s don’t jive with patient’s observed clinical behavior. Could be sonething like Raynaud’s disease where the fingers turn purple but the patient is ok. Nobody mentions if o2 sats are taken at face value or blood gasses are drawn

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Post by ferret Thu May 14, 2020 12:04 pm

The link is not working now. However, what you posted makes sense to me and is, possibly, the reason why intubation is really not having that much of a positive effect.
It would be interesting to know the percentage of deaths of those who were using anticoagulants (or even low dose aspirin) before getting Covid-19.
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Post by CanuckBob Thu May 14, 2020 12:07 pm

Could be a game changer for sure. I thought antibiotics were for bacterial infections. No?

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Post by Jreboll Thu May 14, 2020 12:10 pm

Antibiotics come into play when opportunistic bacteria start multiplying.

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Post by BisbeeGal Thu May 14, 2020 12:16 pm

In most instances, autopsies would not be required under US law.  And with the rush to bury/cremate the dead, I wonder if many were done.

I hope so as the dead may lead us in the right direction for a treatment.
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