Guadalajara

Solovino wrote:

hound dog wrote:

Ricardo wrote:I never heard Guadalajara called "El Rancho Grande" before but I have heard "La Perla Tapatía" quite a lot, and I don't see how calling it "Guad" (which I don't), is any different from Mexicans calling that tongue-twisting place on the outskirts of Mexico City "Neza".

"El Rancho Grande" is what people from Mexico City have been known to call Guadalajara which is a term of derision similar to people in the U.S. referring to a large regional city as an overgrown cow town. Mexicans often abbreviate indigenous names they find difficult to pronounce. Nezahualcóytl, Popocatépetl , (POPO) and Iztaccihuatl (ITZA) If any of you out there find "Guadalajara" difficult to pronounce you might want to check with your doctor for signs of a silent stroke.

So in other words, mange magnet, it is wrong for English speakers to shorten names not in their native language but OK for Spanish speakers to do the same (but of course Latin cultures do not practice that custom)?


Oh, and who said those nahuatl names are difficult to pronounce for Mexicans?


Now I am off to "Cihua" on errands.

Oh that's too bad, just when you're in top form with that mange magnet bit.

Just thought I'd add here that since Solovino is el perro equivocado, that is rather like the pot calling the kettle black, just sayin'.

Solovino wrote:

hound dog wrote:

Ricardo wrote:I never heard Guadalajara called "El Rancho Grande" before but I have heard "La Perla Tapatía" quite a lot, and I don't see how calling it "Guad" (which I don't), is any different from Mexicans calling that tongue-twisting place on the outskirts of Mexico City "Neza".

"El Rancho Grande" is what people from Mexico City have been known to call Guadalajara which is a term of derision similar to people in the U.S. referring to a large regional city as an overgrown cow town. Mexicans often abbreviate indigenous names they find difficult to pronounce. Nezahualcóytl, Popocatépetl , (POPO) and Iztaccihuatl (ITZA) If any of you out there find "Guadalajara" difficult to pronounce you might want to check with your doctor for signs of a silent stroke.

So in other words, mange magnet, it is wrong for English speakers to shorten names not in their native language but OK for Spanish speakers to do the same (but of course Latin cultures do not practice that custom)?


Oh, and who said those nahuatl names are difficult to pronounce for Mexicans?


Now I am off to "Cihua" on errands.

Hound Dog AKA Mange Magnet says nahuatl names are difficult for today´s Mexicans to pronounce although not for the original Mexicans who were destoyed by the European invaders and jealous fellow indigenous tribes trying to get even. OK, just to be fair, Dawg concedes that foreigners and Mexicans alike can say "Popo" and "Izta" but all you midwestern yahoos leave Dawg´s "Guad", San Cris and "Frisco" alone. You ain´t in Kansas anymore.

@ hound dog -
You left out "Yokel"!!!

"mange magnet?"

just one of the affectionate nickname Solovino has for hound dog...I think it fit pretty well.

Well, I've met the Dawg and had a very pleasant chat with him and he didn't appear mangy but it is Solo's creativeness that I find amusing and impressive.

I am the one who had the mange.

CheenaGringo wrote:Thank you Dawg!

This has been a pet peave of mine for quite some time! To my way of thinking, it shows a lack of respect and extreme laziness on the part of the foreign population. If one is referring to the Guadalajara Airport, then GDL is acceptable but bastardizing Guadalajara to "GUAD" is not! A while back, I tangled with a designated "destination expert" on TripAdvisor who happens to live at the Lake about her usage of of Guad. Went right over her arrogant head!

The local news program is called GDL Noticias and they don't just report on the airport.
Chris

I don't like anyone mispronouncing English words, especially cities names (Hot-lanta, Big-easy, Big-apple, etc). If you are going to refer to a place pronounce the damned name, not some made up crap. The same with young people today who cannot speak proper English ( "I borrowed her some money", etc). Speak English and pronounce the words correctly or shut up!

Having a bad day, Dr. Mike?

Here's something to look forward to: a whole generation coming on board tweets, on average, 125 times a day. They are hooked into a new form of the English language, so if you think things are bad now...........just wait.
RUOK? MOK.

I think nicknames are not mispronounications.

gringal wrote:Having a bad day, Dr. Mike?

Here's something to look forward to: a whole generation coming on board tweets, on average, 125 times a day. They are hooked into a new form of the English language, so if you think things are bad now...........just wait.
RUOK? MOK.

IROK! I don't know what MOK is...

Gringal you are absolutely correct about young people and tweeting (and texting). They tend to talk as if they are tweeting/texting also. Is that really a new form of the English language or simply a lazy way to speak? I also object to the use of improperly used words (like people who use nicknames/ or cutesie names for cities--I don't know or care which city is the "Queen city" or where the "Emerald city" is, or even where the "Inland Empire" is located. Just tell me in English what you're talking about. When I was in undergraduate school (UGA) I actually sat on a grassy hill and read the dictionary so I could learn to speak intelligently. It seems to me that speaking intelligently (and calling cities by their proper names) no longer matter or requires too much effort.

It is simply a pet peeve of mine.

drmike wrote:
cities--I don't know or care which city is the "Queen city" or where the "Emerald city" is, or even where the "Inland Empire" is located. Just tell me in English what you're talking about.
.

And yet you use the word Lakeside. What lake would you be speaking of?

drmike wrote:

gringal wrote:Having a bad day, Dr. Mike?

Here's something to look forward to: a whole generation coming on board tweets, on average, 125 times a day. They are hooked into a new form of the English language, so if you think things are bad now...........just wait.
RUOK? MOK.

IROK! I don't know what MOK is...

Gringal you are absolutely correct about young people and tweeting (and texting). They tend to talk as if they are tweeting/texting also. Is that really a new form of the English language or simply a lazy way to speak? I also object to the use of improperly used words (like people who use nicknames/ or cutesie names for cities--I don't know or care which city is the "Queen city" or where the "Emerald city" is, or even where the "Inland Empire" is located. Just tell me in English what you're talking about. When I was in undergraduate school (UGA) I actually sat on a grassy hill and read the dictionary so I could learn to speak intelligently. It seems to me that speaking intelligently (and calling cities by their proper names) no longer matter or requires too much effort.

It is simply a pet peeve of mine.

(UGA)?

It was my understanding that "Lakeside" meant all the cities and villages on the east side, where the Americans and Canadians live (mostly). If I'm wrong please correct me. I did not know that was a nickname, rather I thought it was the official name of the area. I don't live there, yet so I'm still learning. Thank you for pointing that out.

UGA?

Viajero,

You got me on that one. That is the official abbreviation for The University of Georgia.

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drmike wrote:IROK! I don't know what MOK is...

Seems it should be IOK....

drmike wrote:Gringal you are absolutely correct about young people and tweeting (and texting). They tend to talk as if they are tweeting/texting also. Is that really a new form of the English language or simply a lazy way to speak?

Well, my last assignment as English teacher (prior to my retirement to Mexico) was in Brinkley, Arkansas. English composition??? Faggeddabadit!!! (Did I spell that correctly?) High school students were using "U" for "you" and "2" for "to" etc., ad infinitum! I tried to introduce formal written English, but I don't know how much success I had. I know, however, from the high school secretary that their scores on standardized tests in English after my short sojourn improved drastically over the years prior. Perhaps I made a difference?

drmike wrote:I don't know ... where the "Emerald city" is....

Wasn't that in Kansas, per "The Wizard of Oz"????

Way to go Lerher,

That's what we need are teachers (like you) who demand their student learn properly, learn to spell and speak proper English. I do not think the way students now spell and speak will change the deficit America has in the world's economy.

"Emerald City", yes there was one in the Wizard of Oz, but it seems to me, I've heard of another city calling itself that. Can't remember which.

drmike wrote:It was my understanding that "Lakeside" meant all the cities and villages on the east side, where the Americans and Canadians live (mostly). If I'm wrong please correct me. I did not know that was a nickname, rather I thought it was the official name of the area. I don't live there, yet so I'm still learning. Thank you for pointing that out.

Hmmmm.......an "official" English name for the area?

drmike wrote:"Emerald City", yes there was one in the Wizard of Oz, but it seems to me, I've heard of another city calling itself that. Can't remember which.

Perhaps Las Vegas, Nevada? Or Seattle, Washington?

Lerher:(IROK) "Seems it should be IOK "

I was being facetious and spelling in text and speaking English like the youngsters do...

drmike wrote:Lerher:(IROK) "Seems it should be IOK "

I was being facetious and spelling in text and speaking English like the youngsters do...

Yes, I know.

But I still think "I are okay" wouldn't be their choice; rather "I okay" would be the "shorthand" they might use. After all, that's one less keystroke!

You should know the difference since you were the teacher of the youngest generation. I submit to you.

drmike wrote:It was my understanding that "Lakeside" meant all the cities and villages on the east side, where the Americans and Canadians live (mostly). If I'm wrong please correct me. I did not know that was a nickname, rather I thought it was the official name of the area. I don't live there, yet so I'm still learning. Thank you for pointing that out.

Hey Dr Mike, that's the North West part of the lake.

Just and FYI

Just to play the game a bit more, we cam make an opposing argument that all things must change to fit the times. Consider the difference between the English of Shakespeare's time and that spoken today, plus the notion that England and America are "two places divided by a common language.". I know of a person with a PhD in Spanish who had difficulty speaking to people in Mexico.

When I was a puppy, there were no computers or cell phones. Today's youngsters take these things for granted. We recently had dinner with friends whose 15 year old grandson, when asked to describe the huge marlin he caught on the coast, whipped out his IPhone and showed us the picture. Meanwhile, another guest's 5 year old daughter was busily playing games on a tiny pink computer.

You really can't blow against the wind very well with so much change becoming part of our lives, whether we're ready for it or not. My token protest.......having nothing to do with the world of social networking...........puts me in a very small minority and firmly in the land of Old Fogies.

"Lakeside" as far as I know, is just an unofficial area description of the string of villages on the North side of Lake Chapala