Robbery gone wrong, expat died in Chapala

viajero wrote:

elbelgicano wrote:
Quite the opposite, this could actually be pretty press worthy, as this couple (if I can call them like that) is very well known here in Chapala (for reasons I prefer not to put out here)

Sorry if I misunderstood you,but that sounded like gossip to me.

No, no gossip, I simply have no desire, nor do I see the purpose of telling the story of their life here (or the little that I know about).  That is it..... no mas, no menos.
I will leave that up to the newspapers, if ever...

Rony

I heard about it the day of the attack from a law enforcement source, they said an older European had been beaten during a robbery in the early evening across from the plaza and probably would die.

Did it happen in his home, or on the street? What time?

Intercasa wrote:I heard about it the day of the attack from a law enforcement source, they said an older European had been beaten during a robbery in the early evening across from the plaza and probably would die.  

Let us not forget how they (press, police,...) only too often mess up their facts, when it comes to victims age, nationality and other. I remember that in the reporting on the murder of the Canadian couple, all sources showed all (very) different ages (one example). The same when Bentley and his partner got murdered a little over 2 years ago. In the next few days, we will have to take a lot of things with a grain of salt here (if something comes out in the press again). One thing seems clear.... again, something very bad happened to a human being.

Raymond was from Brooklyn. He had lived in Chapala for over 30 years. La señora, who is 98 years old, was not physically harmed during the robbery. I stopped by to see her today. The housekeeper and another woman were there taking care of her. She was sleeping and I did not want to awaken her.

Smartalex wrote:Raymond was from Brooklyn. He had lived in Chapala for over 30 years. La señora, who is 98 years old, was not physically harmed during the robbery. I stopped by to see her today. The housekeeper and another woman were there taking care of her. She was sleeping and I did not want to awaken her.

Thanks for the update, Alex.  It is good to know that La Maestra was not physcally harmed but I still feel bad for her.

CBob...Can you shut down this idiot Seventyseven for a week or two? I find her comments on this thread to be particularly offensive.

http://www.paginaquesiselee.com.mx/noticias/item/1956-para-asaltarlo.html

More detail available - but some things differ - one newspaper says the 20th la paginas says the 22..........

Lake Chapala Crime wrote:http://www.paginaquesiselee.com.mx/noticias/item/1956-para-asaltarlo.html

More detail available - but some things differ - one newspaper says the 20th la paginas says the 22..........

Yes below is another version, which I also posted on another thread:

Organización Editorial Mexicana
2 de mayo de 2014

Gloria Velázquez/El Occidental

Chapala, Jalisco.- Por una contusión difusa de cráneo coadyuvada por insuficiencia hepática falleció un hombre que hace más de una semana fue localizado lesionado en el municipio de Chapala.

Los hechos ocurrieron el pasado 20 de abril, cuando personal médico de aquella jurisdicción localizó severamente golpeado a Raymond Margolis Levi, de 90 años, quien fue llevado al puesto de socorros, pero debido a su estado se optó por trasladarlo a un nosocomio de la ciudad de Guadalajara.

En el lugar permaneció varios días hasta ayer se informó sobre su deceso, por lo que sus restos fueron enviados al Servicio Médico Forense, donde se espera que en las próximas horas acuda un familiar.

La víctima, de quien se presume era de origen extranjero, tenía su domicilio en la calle Madero en el Centro de citada localidad.

Se informó que antes de fallecer, Levi señaló que los causantes intentaron asaltarlo y posteriormente se dieron a la huida sin que lograra percatarse de mayores características.

Este caso es investigado por agentes de la Fiscalía General de la entidad para dar con los responsables.
- See more at: http://www.oem.com.mx/laprensa/notas/n3377789.htm#sthash.3pAn1HDM.dpuf
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Basically this particular article says that a 90 yr old man, presumed to be a foreigner, was found severely beaten in Chapala on 20 April and that he lived on Madero. His name was Raymond Margolis Levi....he passed away in a clinic in Guadalajara a few days ago.

Smartalex wrote:CBob...Can you shut down this idiot Seventyseven for a week or two? I find her comments on this thread to be particularly offensive.

Thank you. You said it much more tactfully than I would have. My ignore function is getting well used this week.

Maybe CBob took seventyseven's advice from another thread:
"If you do not care for my comments, use the foe feature"

This is a classic first where a forum member tells an owner/administrator to use the foe function!

Did he own rental properties in Upper Ajijic; I may have rented from him a decade ago.

Seventyseven wrote:It is not on the crime site, is this a secret crime? Pete, Too much work.

Too much work? So you want others to do your work, eh? Lazy, eh. So just wonder what it says and don't lift a finger yourself.   

A 90-year-old man is brutally beaten to death in a robbery.  You live amongst criminals, cowards and savages.  Paradise indeed.

Seventyseven wrote:Rony, It will be publicized here no doute. Dont forget, the family (or friends neighbors) called the Canadian newspapers so it had a big write up. It was also picked up by some other news outlets in the U.S.A. Being "nice" upper middle class people, living in a "paradise area" (Floresta), it caught attention with the Canada press fast. I don't think anyone will call the New York Post. But I am calling my Mexican friend in Chapala, she knows all the cab drivers. Also her cousin is a lawyer there, I will get the story. Rony has not done anything wrong. Believe me if there are lurid details they will surface.

Have you gotten the REAL TRUE story yet, 77? We're waiting....

addtocart wrote:A 90-year-old man is brutally beaten to death in a robbery.  You live amongst criminals, cowards and savages.  Paradise indeed.

and who are you referring to as "criminals, cowards and savages" as a group and who are the good guys in your opinion?

Ok I have been reminded that I do know this man but I haven't laid eyes on him in at least a decade. People called him Levi and Levi was kind of a walk on the wild side.
Mr. Thang and I used to comment that one of these days something bad was going to happen to him, he liked to talk about his wealth and he had some other habits that I would call dangerous . I don't think he was 98 years old but he was right on up there close to 90 I believe and it takes a special kind of cowardice to beat up someone pushing 100. I'll bet old Levi didn't go out without a fight though.
I don't know why people are being are being so quiet about Levi, he would have wanted people to talk about what a bad ass he was.

"You live amongst criminals, cowards and savages. Paradise indeed."

Because, in other places there are no crimes. No one robs, cheats, assaults, murders, rapes, preys sexually upon children. Everywhere else, humans are all noble, brave, honorable and civilized. Yup. We are such fools to live here.

addtocart wrote:A 90-year-old man is brutally beaten to death in a robbery.  You live amongst criminals, cowards and savages.  Paradise indeed.

Please tell us where you live so we can come to your crime free paradise.......

Ms.Thang wrote:Ok I have been reminded that I do know this man but I haven't laid eyes on him in at least a decade. People called him Levi and Levi was kind of a walk on the wild side.
Mr. Thang and I used to comment that one of these days something bad was going to happen to him, he liked to talk about his wealth and he had some other habits that I would call dangerous . I don't think he was 98 years old but he was right on up there close to 90 I believe and it takes a special kind of cowardice to beat up someone pushing 100. I'll bet old Levi didn't go out without a fight though.
I don't know why people are being are being so quiet about Levi, he would have wanted people to talk about what a bad ass he was.

Blame the victim by all means.  Not the criminals that walk the streets of what should be a peaceful small town.

Chapala is sold as a paradise, I think that is what you mean. The elderly are targets in general, everywhere. The robber could have taken the cash without killing the victim. Very sad indeed.

CanuckBob wrote:

addtocart wrote:A 90-year-old man is brutally beaten to death in a robbery.  You live amongst criminals, cowards and savages.  Paradise indeed.

Please tell us where you live so we can come to your crime free paradise.......

Throw a dart at a map of the US and Canada. Any small town the size of Ajijic.

you stupid idjiot the place you are disparaging has a pop of 80k+/- and maderos where the victim lived is in chapala not ajijic. take a dart and shove it up your arse.

Addtocart, before you go trolling in order to   
you might at least come close to the facts beginning with where the murder took place and the population.

Lady Otter Latté wrote:Addtocart, before you go trolling in order to   
you might at least come close to the facts beginning with where the murder took place and the population.

¿Does any one know the foreign population of Chapala?

bettypearl wrote:Chapala is sold as a paradise, I think that is what you mean. The elderly are targets in general, everywhere. The robber could have taken the cash without killing the victim. Very sad indeed.

Hmmm......I have never considered anywhere (including Lake Chapala) to be "paradise" and those that do are in for a shock no matter where they chose to live. I can tell you one thing though, living down here is a far cry better than where I came from (Vancouver), from just about every perspective.