Double murder robbery in La Floresta?

TTT wrote:

Lady Otter Latté wrote:That was the meeting held at Salvador´s restaurant on Monday. It was by invitation only. The President of the Canadian Club was one of the invited guests.

Okay, so some people who are supposed to be leaders in the community were invited to a meeting with Mexican officials. That is fine, except I have not read a statement from any of these invitees about what they learned at that meeting. Obviously they were invited as a way to get the information out to the expat community as quickly as possible.

Did anyone make an announcement and I just missed it? The president of the Canadian Club? We went to LCS looking for information, meetings, updates, and it was as if nothing had happened.

You need to look for the nearest field of sand.  There you will find them with their heads down.

hickton wrote:what is the normal jail term for this type of crime?

Per my lawyer today - 60 something years (I forget exactly) and 30 something with good behavior.

addtocart wrote:

TTT wrote:

Lady Otter Latté wrote:That was the meeting held at Salvador´s restaurant on Monday. It was by invitation only. The President of the Canadian Club was one of the invited guests.

You need to look for the nearest field of sand.  There you will find them with their heads down.

This is unfair to those of us whose families are worried for our safety. Why withhold information? Is it because those invited to this meeting have some sort of economic interest here, so that they are more worried about damage control than the safety, welfare and peace of mind of the community? The way to get through this with as little damage as possible is to share the information. It would be so much better than leaving us to piece together information from articles and rumors.

Here's an idea. Every bedroom, especially those of women alone, should have a serious bolt on the inside and always keep your cell phone nearby. If you hear something like a window breaking, shoot the bolt closed and call the police. And, guys, don't be a hero.

Since the victims went to the airport Saturday with suitcases, it appeared they were away. We do not know if the criminals saw them return. Also it appears the perps were kind of drunk. Does anyone know the name of the construction company that was working next door? I see that detail was left out. We should know this information.

[quote="Intercasa"]Fraccs need to require workers present a no criminal history letter, utility bill as well as make sure people have a valid ID.  [/quote]

I TOTALLY AGREE...

Canada_Mike wrote:Here's an idea. Every bedroom, especially those of women alone, should have a serious bolt on the inside and always keep your cell phone nearby. If you hear something like a window breaking, shoot the bolt closed and call the police. And, guys, don't be a hero.

That's great advice, mike. It's good to think , while you are calm and can think clearly, about what you would do in a situation where you are surprised by someone breaking into your house.
I had never thought of it until someone broke into my house while I was home. Turns out I have a "fight" instinct. I panicked when he touched me and I wanted desperately to leave the house. A fight ensued.
If this should ever happen to me again I hope that I will be able to handle it better . I now have steps that I should follow in my head .

Chapalagringa wrote:This article says that they thought she lived alone and were surprised she had a husband there with her.  They even stole clothes??  They took the cash and bought drugs and clothes.  

http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2014/512791/6/hermanos-mataron-a-canadienses-cae-uno-informa-fiscalia.htm
 

Eduardo had recently returned from Canada after surgery. He well may have mostly stayed inside recuperating or sat on the other side of the house, so the workers next door never saw him. If Nina and Eduardo came home around 8 pm, it is likely that lights were on in the house so the guys should have known that someone was at home. They also knew she had a dog that would bark.

Sounds like a case of trying to make up stories that will sound less like a premeditated attack.

They could have returned to rob the house very late Saturday p.m. or Sunday a.m. Maybe they did not see the light on, or assumed it was a timer. Still, how is it different? Murder is murder in this case. Whether it is premeditated, or sudden. There is no excuse.

Seventyseven wrote:They could have returned to rob the house very late Saturday p.m. or Sunday a.m. Maybe they did not see the light on, or assumed it was a timer. Still, how is it different? Murder is murder in this case. Whether it is premeditated, or sudden. There is no excuse.

From the court's point of view, there are many kinds of murder. And the reason it matters, from my point of view, is that if it's premeditated, they'll get a longer sentence -- hopefully they'll never get out. I believe at least one of them had been recently released from prison, and it sure didn't take him long to take up his old profession again. I don't believe they just went there to steal the TV and hope the judge doesn't, either.

sambrit10 wrote:

Seventyseven wrote:They could have returned to rob the house very late Saturday p.m. or Sunday a.m. Maybe they did not see the light on, or assumed it was a timer. Still, how is it different? Murder is murder in this case. Whether it is premeditated, or sudden. There is no excuse.

From the court's point of view, there are many kinds of murder. And the reason it matters, from my point of view, is that if it's premeditated, they'll get a longer sentence -- hopefully they'll never get out. I believe at least one of them had been recently released from prison, and it sure didn't take him long to take up his old profession again. I don't believe they just went there to steal the TV and hope the judge doesn't, either.

In the case with the home invasions in Chapala Haciendas two years ago, the gunman claim they didn't use a real gun for that very reason.

I'm glad that Canada has some pull to get results...how unfortunate for the gentleman from Seattle that was killed in a home invasion last year in Riberas. That case seemed to go cold after he passed away.

CanuckBob wrote:In case anyone missed the link above, the second brother has been arrested in Colima. Great police work!!!

Which link? The Guad Reporter link just mentions the one suspect. "Dozens of potential witnesses and persons of interest" but only one likely suspect; the article says the other is still at large.

And I share your concern about the overwhelming response to this crime as compared to the underwhelming response to so many others.

CanuckBob wrote:In case anyone missed the link above, the second brother has been arrested in Colima. Great police work!!!

Actually I think it is more like poor reporting. That article was published on the 12th. On the morning of the 13th, Najara held a press conference - and 1 person had been arrested - not 2. Plus more current articles from El Gratuito mentioned 1 arrested. Darn.

Here is an article from today - 1 arrested - not 2.

http://elgratuito.com.mx/2014/02/13/presentan-a-homicida

Informador says one arrested...still searching for the second.

Smartalex wrote:Informador says one arrested...still searching for the second.

as  do all other spanish newspapers except  the article in El Gratuito on the 12th (unless we are really translating it incorrectly  )

Here is the english - A t least two subjects were arrested for staff

Here is the spanish - Al menos dos sujetos fueron ya detenidos

Looks pretty clear to me

Here is the link for the 12th - http://elgratuito.com.mx/2014/02/12/caen-por-homicidio-de-extranjeros

yes el gratuito says the two have been arrested, but nothing in informador or milenio..and yes many locals are very upset at the scale of the search , when very little is done when a mexican is involved.. and rightly so..

As of 6:30 a.m. Today, Channel 4 GDL is reporting ONE arrest, one still being saught.

This morning - the 14th - the Informator  says "UNOFFICIAL brother was in Colima According to unofficial information, the brother of Julius Caesar (whose name is not provided the Prosecutor) fled to Colima, so the Jalisco government requested the assistance of the Attorney General of that State. That Entity authorities confirmed the request and the fugitive, apparently, was captured yesterday morning" For the rest of the article:  
http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2014/512946/6/cae-uno-de-los-presuntos-homicidas-de-los-canadienses.htm

So El Gratuito was correct-just not official

Chapalagringa wrote:

sambrit10 wrote:

Seventyseven wrote:They could have returned to rob the house very late Saturday p.m. or Sunday a.m. Maybe they did not see the light on, or assumed it was a timer. Still, how is it different? Murder is murder in this case. Whether it is premeditated, or sudden. There is no excuse.

From the court's point of view, there are many kinds of murder. And the reason it matters, from my point of view, is that if it's premeditated, they'll get a longer sentence -- hopefully they'll never get out. I believe at least one of them had been recently released from prison, and it sure didn't take him long to take up his old profession again. I don't believe they just went there to steal the TV and hope the judge doesn't, either.

In the case with the home invasions in Chapala Haciendas two years ago, the gunman claim they didn't use a real gun for that very reason.

I'm glad that Canada has some pull to get results...how unfortunate for the gentleman from Seattle that was killed in a home invasion last year in Riberas.  That case seemed to go cold after he passed away.  

I doubt Canada has any more pull than the US in these matters. Could be Canada's media does a better job? Or perhaps Jalisco (Mexico) is finally starting to realize their "foreign" tourism is going down the toilet?

CanuckBob wrote:

Chapalagringa wrote:

sambrit10 wrote:

Seventyseven wrote:They could have returned to rob the house very late Saturday p.m. or Sunday a.m. Maybe they did not see the light on, or assumed it was a timer. Still, how is it different? Murder is murder in this case. Whether it is premeditated, or sudden. There is no excuse.

From the court's point of view, there are many kinds of murder. And the reason it matters, from my point of view, is that if it's premeditated, they'll get a longer sentence -- hopefully they'll never get out. I believe at least one of them had been recently released from prison, and it sure didn't take him long to take up his old profession again. I don't believe they just went there to steal the TV and hope the judge doesn't, either.

In the case with the home invasions in Chapala Haciendas two years ago, the gunman claim they didn't use a real gun for that very reason.

I'm glad that Canada has some pull to get results...how unfortunate for the gentleman from Seattle that was killed in a home invasion last year in Riberas.  That case seemed to go cold after he passed away.  

I doubt Canada has any more pull than the US in these matters. Could be Canada's media does a better job? Or perhaps Jalisco (Mexico) is finally starting to realize their "foreign" tourism is going down the toilet?

Not that it even compares with this, but the boat impounding fiasco pretty much finished the nautical tourism, at least for a while.

canadian gummint would not have had anything to do with this investigation, whatsoever. the consulate here is a mere trade mission, in any event. foreign affairs has offered assistance to surviving family members,is all. as somebody else put forth,this attorney general is a doer. meeting with the canadian club and la floresta residents that timely after the crime was discovered
nice flight of fantasy though.

Good for the police they got the brother so now time for the judge or judes to put both of them under key for as long as it is possible.

Wether it is Canada or the US, all they can do is asking nicely that something be done so their pull is limited but this crime made national and international news and that is bad for the image of the country something the President is trying to avoid...

brigitte wrote:

Wether it is Canada or the US, all they can do is asking nicely that something be done so their pull is limited but this crime made national and international news and that is bad for the image of the country something the President is trying to avoid...

It's a little late for that, but good luck anyway.

That is called good PR. The police got the 2 criminals quickly and you better believe that is they are put away from a long time there will be plenty of publicity.

hickton wrote:yes el gratuito says the two have been arrested, but nothing in informador or milenio..and yes many locals are very upset at the scale of the search , when very little is done when a mexican is involved.. and rightly so..

One hundred % correct. Also, what about the other murders of expats? Maybe this depends upon how much press there is in canada and USA? Or is it up to the government?

brigitte wrote:That is called good PR. The police got the 2 criminals quickly and you better believe that is they are put away from a long time there will be plenty of publicity.

I don not think any criminal is put away for a "long time" in mexico. No one has checked Chris Kahr's murderers? How do we know? Maybe these criminals will be out and about in time for another high season?