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Post by Catoca Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:00 pm

Here is a perspective on Herd Immunity and a possible road forward by Martin Kulldorff who is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. He studies infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety. The schools in Sweden have been kept open and the mortality amongst school kids has been zero, the emphasis is to protect the 60+ population and restrict their exposure to the virus whereas the rest of the population continues with their lives whilst continuing to observe common sense precautions.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-is-still-key-in-the-fight-against-covid-19

However, there are troublesome numbers, deaths from Covid in Mexico is almost 11% of the confirmed cases, there is enough sunlight to ensure that everybody has sufficient Vit D and the Mexico age distribution is 26% 0-14 yrs; 66% 15-64 yrs; and 7.4% 65+ years. Nationally Covid cases peak in a range 25-59 yrs. I could not find the deaths sorted according to age group. It is troubling that Mexico with a relatively young population has been hit so hard with deaths.

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Post by ferret Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:03 pm

Here's another article on Sweden which paints not such a rosy picture...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/swedens-no-lockdown-strategy-beginning-072000738.html

Mexico has an enormous problem with obesity and diabetes. Those two could be factors in the increase in mortality. On the other hand, Mexico is not doing such a great job of testing and reporting so the mortality rate may be severely skewed.

We can speculate until the cows come home but it's going to take time and a lot more observation and data to finally conclude what worked and what didn't.
In the meantime, stay safe.
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Post by mudgirl Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:14 pm

Even if they aren't obese or have diabetes, the average Mexican doesn't have a great diet. Sure, they eat real food like tortillas and beans and rice and meat, but they don't eat a lot of fresh greens and they consume a lot of junk food and drink a ton of Coke.

Oaxaca just passed a law prohibiting sales of junk food and pop to under-18s.

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Post by ferret Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:18 am

And then there's Italy's story where early lockdown worked...and they are still abiding by rules set in place early.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/08/09/europe/italy-coronavirus-return-normal-intl/index.html
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Post by ferret Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:30 am

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Post by ferret Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:57 am

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Post by ferret Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:54 pm

Weird and Wonderful...

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/4-surprising-reasons-scientists-think-163828168.html

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Post by Jreboll Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:01 pm

All this may indicate that we’re closer to reaching herd immunity than we think.

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Post by ferret Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:21 am

Latest developments...
https://us.cnn.com/2020/08/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
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Post by CanuckBob Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:47 am

This from the Chapala Expat Liaison, Hector.

"We are at 54 official cases of Covid in the Chapala Municipality. What more can I say. Please keep safe! Your friend Hector Espana"

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Post by ferret Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:24 am

What more could he say?
He could say how many have recovered and how many are currently active.
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Post by mudgirl Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:59 am

The US just hit almost 102,000 new cases in 24 hours.

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Post by ferret Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:18 am

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Post by ferret Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:21 am

THIS is absolutely amazing tech to prevent infection. A nose spray. Read on...

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/08/418241/aeronabs-promise-powerful-inhalable-protection-against-covid-19

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/26846/20200812/aeronabs-novel-protection-against-covid.htm

Anyone remember the old saying "Bag that bugger"?
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Post by ferret Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:51 am

I am more impressed by the spray in the above post because it's a do it yourself preventative measure that will be available over the counter.

In the meantime, antibodies are also underway...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/companies-test-antibody-drugs-treat-122635896.html

These are for when you get the virus but must be administered via an IV.
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Post by Jreboll Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:32 am

Good news!
https://news.yahoo.com/argentina-mexico-produce-astrazeneca-covid-011621853.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cueWFob28uY29tLz9ndWNjb3VudGVyPTE&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADU2uUI0YXsoj6kFMZp_pCKtvyuGMf4RXcpyUfFJFP_GufxrWAEKzWLMS3gAzTsJmaf2hkN8uH_XQrBfrguY4-tQUDC_vQ-R59RimDEL1qU-w3MBNHBzl1jtrp2igOgSlwbryDAnC3uoBy-8qg5jOqO5Am5VGcCzYpwWa3yo0Jfm

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Post by ferret Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:46 am

This is why people with autoimmune diseases need to be extra careful NOT to get Covid-19...

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/L20-0845

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Post by Jreboll Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:00 am

These patients did not have previous history of autoimmune disease.
“Objective: To describe 3 patients without previous neurologic or autoimmune disorders who were diagnosed with myasthenia gravis after the onset of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).”

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Post by ferret Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:08 am

From the comments... and this makes sense to me because that's a mighty fast response.
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Post by Jreboll Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:36 am

I come from a large family, over 100 cousins, aunts and uncles, and there were at least 4 with autoimmune problems (lupus, MS, goodpasture, and I had thrombocytopenia). I wonder if that is statistically high and if I have additional reason to worry.

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Post by CanuckBob Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:47 am

But I thought some of the meds taken for those conditions were good at fighting covid. Like cortisone/steroids, anti-inflammatory, etc.

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Post by Jreboll Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:11 am

Autoimmune Symptoms appeared 5-7 days after fever onset.  Nothing is mentioned as to what medical intervention took place before and at what time periods.
This is why something needs to be done ASAP after covid symptoms appear.

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Post by ferret Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:09 am

To answer your question CBob... some autoimmune diseases are on going and require the intervention of meds.
In the case of Narcolepsy with Cataplexy, the entire population of Hypocretin/Orexin neurons are wiped out. That was the target of the response and when they're gone, they're gone and you just live with the results.
However, I really don't want my faulty immune system to possibly screw up again so I am not taking any chances.

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