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Post by gringal on Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:38 pm

For those who haven't read it over on TOB, there's a multi-page discussion which veered around the topic like a drunk driver on an icy road, but some truth did sneak out. I'm curious about the subject myself, since it's a helluva lot of work to get organized for a move to a foreign country in the first place, and the research needed is time consuming.  So, having reached a decision and packed up and moved somewhere hereabouts,  what does it take to cause people to pack it all up again (or not) and head back to where they came from?
Let's hope any answers stick to "why leave?" rather than boosterism for Mexico's advantages.  We know about that already.

I'm thinking that we might get different answers on here about why you or people you have known head back "home" for reasons other than the obvious ones:  health insurance needs or can't live without family. (or getting a free plane trip courtesy of the law catching up with you)

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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:51 pm

I think most people leave primarily for medical reasons, particularly Canadians who can get government healthcare back in Canada. That would be the reason I would leave 25 or so years from now. I wouldn't want to bankrupt myself or have to go mooching, paying out of pocket here in Mexico, like I see a few people doing.

I can also see where the "quaintness" of Lake Chapala could also wear off after some time. If it does for me I would seek other places in Mexico or further south.

And then there are the "whiners" who we would all like to see leave. I can think of a few of those. Just go read that thread on TOB.......jaja.
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Post by gringal on Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:28 pm

I think that beyond the health care and missing family reason, people leave because they didn't do enough research and had unrealistic expectations, or can't adapt to the fact that they can't change Mexico to suit their preferences.
Y'know, like yelling at clerks because said clerk doesn't speak English.

The "quaintness" of the cobblestones and "charming buildings" needing constant maintenance wears off fast if you're dealing with them (sigh), but not bad enough to want the U.S. suburbs, flat sidewalks and lunch at Nordstoms, for me.
lol.

We did a lot of research first and found most of the "warts" ahead of time, so no big surprises. Anyone who doesn't do that is very likely to hit the virtual topes here hard and perhaps head back NOB from sheer culture shock.

Then, there are those who feel they will live longer and healthier under U.S. (or Canadian)medical care in their old age.  That depends on what's wrong with them or is likely to be, based on a lot of factors. If a person is obese, inactive and has a few unhealthy habits, they absolutely will be sick in their old age.  It also depends on how much faith they have in the U.S. or Canada's system.  That's how Medivac makes a living.

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Post by Intercasa on Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:54 pm

Why do people leave here?



Here are the reasons clients tell me



Death - they just die and leave in an urn or pine box

Better or cheaper medical care in their home country

To die with their family around them

Sick of the petty thievery

Sick of lazy public officials

Cant take the high altitude for medical reasons

Fear of crime and lazy police / prosecutor and little investigation for deterrence for crimes

Sick of police shakedowns

Sick of their family nagging them about living in Mexico

Nobody trustworthy to care for them and pay their bills without tappin the till as they have no family and few friends

Cannot qualify for the higher immigration financial requirements

Cant keep their foreign plated car

Poor financial management (theirs) and the lack of a Mexican welfare system for the poor

Being pursued by criminals

Being pursued by creditors who know where they live and can attempt to attach assets

Couldnt adapt to life without their home country creature comforts

People running from the law in Mexico



There are probably more but I cant recall everyones story or comments
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Post by gringal on Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:15 pm

That probably covers it, Spencer.

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Post by gringomojado on Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:17 pm

lackanookie?
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Post by gringal on Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:31 pm

gringomojado wrote:lackanookie?

You jest, si?

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Post by Playaboy on Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:56 pm

After spending the last 2 years Lakeside, I recently left.  I didn't go back to the States but stayed in Mexico, went back to Playa Del Carmen and the Riviera Maya.  It is nearly impossible to compare the 2 places, there is so much more here for me.

Why did I go?  There are a lots of reasons I left.  If I wrote them out people would get offended and take it personally.  Bottom line, being a non-drinking single man there wasn't much for me to do there.  In fact, I found myself just plan bored.  

I love the beach, the lack of clothes you wear and that overall younger vibe.

There is more to life than just the weather.  Lakeside just wasn't for me at this time in my life.  Maybe it will be in my future.

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Post by gringal on Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:07 pm

Your reasons are very good, Playaboy, considering that you are a young, single guy. But you're still in Mexico, eh?

If it weren't so hot and humid at the beaches, I'd be there instead. Always lived on the coast NOB.

The question was not about Lakeside in particular, but about leaving Mexico after
moving from NOB.

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Post by viajero on Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:19 pm

gringal wrote:
gringomojado wrote:lackanookie?

You jest, si?
He must be jesting,he works or worked in Guadalajara,plenty of nookie here. Very Happy

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Post by hockables on Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:15 pm

Even a blind squirrel gets an acorn once in a while....

If I were wanting to leave, I imagine it would be a desire for greener pastures....  maybe Costa Rica, Spain, Malta...  Beer


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Post by zenwoodle on Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:49 pm

I don't really know, and I hope I can never answer that question. Beer
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Post by gringomojado on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:19 pm

The most beautiful women in the world are Mexican, and the most beautiful Mexican women are Tapatias, so maybe people leave because of the lack of fishing in Lake Chapala?
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Post by gringomojado on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:21 pm

viajero wrote:
gringal wrote:
gringomojado wrote:lackanookie?

You jest, si?
He must be jesting,he works or worked in Guadalajara,plenty of nookie here. Very Happy

The most beautiful women in the world are Mexican, and the most beautiful Mexican women are Tapatias, so maybe people leave because of the lack of fishing in Lake Chapala?

People don't desert Guadalajara!
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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:02 pm

Playaboy wrote:After spending the last 2 years Lakeside, I recently left.  I didn't go back to the States but stayed in Mexico, went back to Playa Del Carmen and the Riviera Maya.  It is nearly impossible to compare the 2 places, there is so much more here for me.

Why did I go?  There are a lots of reasons I left.  If I wrote them out people would get offended and take it personally.  Bottom line, being a non-drinking single man there wasn't much for me to do there.  In fact, I found myself just plan bored.  

I love the beach, the lack of clothes you wear and that overall younger vibe.

There is more to life than just the weather.  Lakeside just wasn't for me at this time in my life.  Maybe it will be in my future.

I have a 47 year old single friend who just moved to PV a few months ago and is loving it. Far more younger people and younger stuff to do there. If I was single I would probably go there too.
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Post by gringomojado on Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:11 pm

So, lackanookie it is?
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Post by CanuckBob on Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:13 pm

I understand there is if you are interested in the 30 to 50 year olds, don't speak good Spanish and don't just want to be a sugar daddy for some 20 year old.
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Post by Intercasa on Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:54 pm

Girls are tough in the Guadalajara area (Chapala is worse), it is a bit more of a closed society and it isnt as easy to make friends as it is in other places in Mexico. Its not like Colombia and Cuba where you literally need to fight them off with a stick. Many locals arent impressed by foreigners (youd be surprised how many obscene and indecent proposals they get) and prefer bad situations with locals than something better with a foreigner. You need to go to Guadalajara where there is more variety and women with a bit more education who will give you a chance and see what you have to offer (you better have something to offer or else get lots of 20 pesos bills and hit the strip club) or otherwise you can compete with the other foreigners who dont want to drive to Guad and flirt with the single mom tapatias that go to Barco on the weekends looking for a meal ticket.
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Post by jrm30655 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:02 pm

I was running through my mental list of people missing over the past 7 years. Probably 50% went in a coffin, most of the rest because of medical problems. I know one couple that left just after the 16 bodies were found close to here.

Of the 11 I can think of 5 are dead, 4 medical and 2 drug violence.

I could be wrong but I just don't see a lot of new faces, especially permanent people.

Occasionally the little annoyances get to me and I get on the computer and look around but where is better?

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Post by Rubia on Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:13 pm

Occasionally the little annoyances get to me and I get on the computer and look around but where is better? wrote:

Exactly, JRM. You gotta live somewhere. The little annoyances are all around us all the time. It's the attitude you take with you in your shitcase that makes the difference.
PS Albuquerque is hot and dusty.

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Post by Chapalagringa on Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:09 pm

I think this has been thought of all wrong.  Who started these threads, a news reporter?  Why does anyone move. period.  I have friends from my home state in Northern California.  They moved to their dream retirement home in Florida.  They were there for several years enjoying a beautiful water front home with a screened in pool, boat dock and sailing etc etc.  Now they can't wait to sell that place and move to the islands.  I think people leave cause they get bored and want a new adventure while they can.  Even if it's to return home and hang with the grand-babies or whatever.   Either that or they're adventured out and now they can say they did it.  Living life without regrets.  They can impress their friends at home that never went anywhere with how cultured they are.  Even with their forever gringo accent with the few words they learned.  Thumbs up
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Post by Clueless on Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:36 pm

I think C-Bob hit on #1. Medical reasons, either immediate or fearing something will arise "soon."

And a totally unsubstantiated guess would be some come here to live cheaply and when they hit the age where they can get Medicare, the go back.

So this is a "straw survey" just for the purpose of conversation. Sometimes it's just interesting to talk about "things" of no critical importance.

I'm 10+ years here and know medical can be a gamble, however IMO, the overall quality of life is better than NOB.

Question for Spencer: Would you consider leaving and way? And lets assume your wife and baby could come w/you NOB.
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Post by Intercasa on Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:54 pm

I would only leave if stuff got real rough crime wise but then again if one isnt greedy and stays below the radar there shouldnt be a problem but also it sucks to work hard and have to live like a pauper due to fear when the authorities dont do their job. Im kind of from the school where they can take me back in a pine box after they pry the gun from my cold dead hand as people need to grow balls or else we will have WWII Germany over again and the bad controlling the good although my wife wants me alive, well at least for now that is.
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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:47 am

Over the past 2 1/2 years we have had over 20 guests in our B&B that have since moved here and I just had two couples that are going to move here soon. They are about 70% US citizens (believe it or not). Quite a few were from the pacific northwest.
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Post by oncesubtle on Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:49 am

Three of our four apartments have recently be rented long term by folks who are retiring here. As to moving back I'd say health issues would be #1.
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