The students were burned alive

They caught the mayor and wife November 3/2014. I hope they suffer the same fate as the students did.

slainte39 wrote:
"Eva Braun and Hitler" are still unaccounted for.

On the news this morning they showed pictures of their house in Iguala and the reporter described it as a "bunker".

This might be a naive question but if as has been reported the whole town knew what business these two were involved in why did the citizens elect him to be their mayor?

Who was monitoring the election?
What "incentives" were voters given to vote a certain way--like you and your family get to stay alive?
Then again, look at the U.S. and how people continue to vote against their own best interests out of either ignorance, fear or a combination of the two.

Unless you know the town it is difficult to understand why people vote for these gangsters.
The same thing will happen in a town I know well in Chiapas. The guy who will be elected is he ex chief of police. He is a known narco, has a lot of money and is buying all the indigenous around the municipality so although the town people hate him and will not vote for him, many of the local believe the cartel guy will be elected..money can do a lot of things for an election.

"Money can do a lot of things for an election."

I agree Brigitte -- as will be amply evidenced in the U.S. today.

The major Mexico City newspaper Excelsior is now reporting that four of the first 28 bodies found in Iguala have been identified via DNA as a father, his adult son and a niece and nephew of the former from Chalco who had gone to a funeral in Iguala and were last heard from on Aug. 12 when they phoned to say they had been arrested by Iguala police at an army checkpoint for an undisclosed reason. They and their vehicle had not been seen since and Iguala police denied any knowledge of them or their detention.

They seem to be jumping to conclusions here as apparently the only person who contributed DNA for tests was the mother of the son, so all DNA could show is a high likelihood of parentage and nothing at all about the other bodies.

http://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2014/11/06/990900

They have the father's DNA. They have his body. So the son's body can be identified because he will carry the DNA of both parents. The niece and nephew will be children of either the mother's sibling or of the father's sibling, and their DNA will show the corresponding family linkage. What a tragedy for the family.

Traveller wrote:They have the father's DNA. They have his body. So the son's body can be identified because he will carry the DNA of both parents. The niece and nephew will be children of either the mother's sibling or of the father's sibling, and their DNA will show the corresponding family linkage. What a tragedy for the family.

Correct. Various sources have reported that the 13 bodies found at the dump in Cocula are much too long dead to be the students so it seems so far at least 51 bodies have been found without any of them apparently being the ones they are looking for. Rumors of bodies being burned and the ashes thrown in the river.

The thirteen bodies that have been eliminated were found in Zitlala.

Abarca has been charged with personally shotgunning a political opponent to death last year.

Official: Mexican students killed, burned, dumped

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/07/world/americas/mexico-missing-students/index.html

http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2014/11/07/actualidad/1415397033_961306.html

Thanks for posting the links Sparks. That's fucking heartbreaking.

One of the thirteen bodies found in Guerrero in mass graves on Oct. 29 has been identified with virtual certainty by dental charts, with DNA results not back yet. It is of a Ugandan priest who had been in Mexico for a number of years. He was abducted off the highway, reportedly after refusing to baptize the child of a narco couple.

http://www.eluniversal.com/internacional/141114/sacerdote-ugandes-entre-13-cuerpos-hallados-en-fosa-en-mexico

In addition, five bodies were dumped on a Guerrero highway today.

The bloody rise of Mexico's First Lady of murder: Beautiful but utterly evil mayor's wife who 'ordered' massacre of 43 students was the 'Boss of Bosses' for cartel behind TWO HUNDRED killings and disappearances

The wife of the Mexican mayor arrested over the massacre of 43 students not only ordered police to stop their protest but also had them turned over to a criminal cartel which she herself was the boss and founder, it was claimed on Wednesday.

Maria de los Angeles Pineda, the wife of Iguala mayor Jose Luis Abarca, was the mastermind behind the Guerreros Unidos (United Warriors) cartel. It was set up in 2009 and is said to be responsible for over two hundred murders and disappearances in northern Guerrero state - where the tourist hotspot of Acapulco is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2831163/The-bloody-rise-Mexico-s-Lady-murder-Beautiful-utterly-evil-mayor-s-wife-ordered-massacre-43-students-Boss-Bosses-cartel-TWO-killings-disappearances.html

Thank you for this, Sparks.

Shocking. Sadly, this level of political power cum criminality is a fact of life in our adopted country. I am not sure it will ever change.

Argentinian and Mexican forensic experts involved in the investigation do not believe the official line that the bodies were burned at the Cocula dump, saying there is no residue that would certainly have been present. It is easy to believe that the government would like to close the book on this case, and anyone in the custody of Mexican police is going to say whatever he is told to say.

http://www.zocalo.com.mx/seccion/articulo/en-cerro-viejo-no-hubo-incineracion-1416184612

México, D.F.- Alfonso Palacios Blanco, an expert in fires and explosives, expressed his doubts about the burning of the 43 school of education students from Ayotzinapa who disappeared last Sep. 27, as was reported by the Federal Attorney General Jesús Murillo Karam on Friday, Nov. 7.

“My expert opinion is that there was no incineration at Cerro Viejo, or not of the quantity of bodies that has been said”, Palacios told Proceso.

He added: “Our Attorney General says that the bodies were burned with tires, diesel and gasoline at 1,600 degrees centigrade, but steel melts at 2,500, so they should have found considerable quantities of metallic fibers from the tires that were used because in order to burn 43 bodies they would have had to use three or four tires per person and a considerable amount of gasoline and diesel”.

The Argentinian experts who met with the relatives of the missing young people on Wednesday Nov. 12 share Palacios' opinion. “They, the Argentinians," Palacios said, "found older human bones. Furthermore, criminal groups in Cocula and Iguala have dug graves into which they hurl bodies and set them on fire, but they do not disintegrate. It is therefore illogical what the Attorney General says”.

The Argentinian scientists have identified three more of the bodies found in the first mass grave in Iguala. The Mexican national newscast reported without elaboration that they were of three people who had disappeared in Iguala in recent months.

No mention of the following has been made on the Mexican TV news that I have seen and it seems hard to believe even after what has been proven so far, but it was also reported by Televisa so I guess time will tell. Much more at the link, only the lead is translated below:

http://www.sinembargo.mx/26-11-2014/1177982

Ciudad de México, 26 de noviembre (SinEmbargo).– Last July 7, in broad daylight, men with their faces covered carried away 31 adolescents and children from Cocula, supposedly in official vehicles, and to date their families know nothing about what happened to them, witnesses to the kidnapping told France 24 Television. In a story dated today the French informational medium reported events that occurred months before those in Iguala, where the municipal police kidnapped and caused the disappearance  of 43 students from the Rural Teachers' School in Ayotzinapa, an act that has caused many marches and protests both in Mexico and on the world stage. According to statements, the kidnappers threatened to kill the residents of Cocula if they reported the incident to authorities. The news agency says that the terrified families of the young people kept silent until they decided to relate the events to the foreign television broadcaster. “Their collective silence is due in part to what may be another case of complicity between the local authorities and the drug cartels that operate with impunity in the region. Although the captors wore masks, they carried away the secondary students in police vehicles that they did not even bother to camouflage”, France 24 reports.

The school from which the students were supposedly kidnapped has denied any such thing happened and the mayor says that probably the news report is referring to two mass kidnappings that happened in Cocula in 2013, totaling 31 victims, that were not publicized at the time out of fear of reprisals. 25 of those victims have not been heard from since and six were freed after paying ransoms. They were of various ages, not just students.

Ricardo wrote:The school from which the students were supposedly kidnapped has denied any such thing happened and the mayor says that probably the news report is referring to two mass kidnappings that happened in Cocula in 2013, totaling 31 victims, that were not publicized at the time out of fear of reprisals. 25 of those victims have not been heard from since and six were freed after paying ransoms. They were of various ages, not just students.

If it never happened, where are the students?  Seems like one of the news agencies from around the world that have picked up on this story would have found some.

The truth wont come out as if the bad guys are caught they will roll over on the government people in high places, the government is praying for a natural disaster or scandal to make the disappearances go away

According to the Guerrero Governor they were 17 people kidnapped on the 2 and 3rd of July in 2013 and this was widely known but no denuncias had been filed...so  noting was done.
The alleged kidnapping of he 31 students took plave on the 7th of July this year.
He said that it remained tobe seen if the two stories are not being confused...
I guess if no one reported the disapparition of the 31 nothing is bring done either.

Talking about a scary scenario.. now the Federal police could be in charge of mainting order another scary thought. The more we hear and the scarier it gets.

We are hearing all these reports of kidnappings, findings all these bodies and mass graves but we do not hear anything about makjor investigations on all of these murders and alleged murders , it is mind blowing  the whole international press is talking about it and what is Mexico doing about it?

All these drug money is feeding all this corruption , the narc money and government are totally dependent on each other. Legalise the drugs , control them, tax them and let the rest of the world get a handle on its consumption. All that money is destroying the country. Go ahead export it and control the cnsumption at home.
Just like it happened in the liquor business in the US , the major thugs will become legal distributors paying taxes  that hopefully will be used for the good of the country.

On the interview from Aristegui with the Frenh reporter, the date quoted was the 1st of July 13 and at this point 6 families went to the MP to report the disaparition of their children.

The bone fragment found in the river near the garbage dump in Cocula has been identified as one of the 43 missing students. From El Universal...

Remains of Ayotzinapa student have been identified
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/in-english/2014/mexico-ayotzinapa-cocula-remains-identification-98536.html

The Argentine Forensic group stated that they did not find the bone fragment. It was presented to them by the PGR(Gov't)
So, where are the Students remains? Still unanswered......

Yep.