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why? he is a DOCTOR, so that's why i call him DOCTOR MIRELES and there is no question about that whatsoever. if someone chooses to insult him by calling him mister that's their perogative. i have never seen him called mister anywhere else but on this thread.

Pedro wrote:why? he is a DOCTOR,

Like Doctor Mike??
The guy did 4 years prison time for drug trafficking in Mexico and then did some more time in California for practicing medicine with out a license,I'll continue to refer to him as mireles.

viajero wrote:

Pedro wrote:why? he is a DOCTOR,

Like Doctor Mike??
The guy did 4 years prison time for drug trafficking in Mexico and then did some more time in California for practicing medicine with out a license,I'll continue to refer to him as mireles.

hardly like mike the gringo formerly on this board. doctor mireles has been practicing medicine in michoacan for years which has nothing to do with what he may have done in cali or his youth. yer perogative to call him what you want. but do you know anyone or would you personally put your life on the line as he has and not just for himself and his family but for others as well.

Pedro wrote:

viajero wrote:

Pedro wrote:why? he is a DOCTOR,

Like Doctor Mike??
The guy did 4 years prison time for drug trafficking in Mexico and then did some more time in California for practicing medicine with out a license,I'll continue to refer to him as mireles.

hardly like mike the gringo formerly on this board. doctor mireles has been practicing medicine in michoacan for years which has nothing to do with what he may have done in cali or his youth. yer perogative to call him what you want. but do you know anyone or would you personally put your life on the line as he has and not just for himself and his family but for others as well.

The guy is full of sheet,if your Spanish was up to it you could watch interviews of him,rather than relying on the totally biased "reporting" from BB, and probably reach the same conclusion.Tiene mucha labia,nada mas.
Firefighters,police,soldiers,etc. put their lives on the line for others everyday.

firefighters,police,soldiers etc. do it for pay. bb isn't my only source and i have even seen transcripts of electronic media as well as listening to the espanol as best i can. in addition bb prints their stough from most of the media that have been linked here from time to time and the translations are superior to google. some of the bb reporters may be biased so are you suggesting that you are not? so he's a passionate man and he has a cause,helping people feel safe again in their homes-what do you find objectionable about that.most of the links another poster puts up here i have read long before he posts them. the only "news" that backs yours and his position on doctor mireles is quite obviously manipulated by his opposition-could that be gummint? why is there so much time being spent on mireles and autodefences  rather than the real criminals led by tuta,who is still at large? i wonder how long it will be before the gummint cannon fodder are release for lack of evidence as was done in michoacan a few years ago. do you remember that-eh!

Pedro wrote: the only "news" that backs yours and his position on doctor mireles is quite obviously manipulated by his opposition-could that be gummint?

Are you saying that his arrest and conviction for drug trafficking that got him a 4 year sentence in 1988 and his arrest and jail time in California were planned ahead of time by the government to discredit him down the road?
It's interesting that a convicted drug trafficker is even allowed to keep his license to practice medicine.

Smart Alex has done an excellent job of starting and continuing a thread presenting his take on a story in which he is interested. Those who have other information from the same or different sources present their own take. Each person spends as much time on the topic as they care to--either to educate themselves or others. I appreciate that Alex provides links to his sources so we can look at his information for ourselves if we want to verify or dispute what he writes.

viajero wrote:

Pedro wrote: the only "news" that backs yours and his position on doctor mireles is quite obviously manipulated by his opposition-could that be gummint?

Are you saying that his arrest and conviction for drug trafficking that got him a 4 year sentence in 1988 and his arrest and jail time in California were planned ahead of time by the government to discredit him down the road?
It's interesting that a convicted drug trafficker is even allowed to keep his license to practice medicine.

i said no such thing and he has done wonderful things as a doctor in the recent present. was he a trafficker or just had a big bag of weed which is something that a lot of people have in areas where it has been grown fer years traditionally. i got all kindsa anecdots about that sorta thing involving people of all ages including doctors in the here and now that indulge.1988 was 26 years ago-suggest that has no relevance to now because he ain't dealing and he ain't in cali either.

Alex, you really enjoy manipulating the truth to support your opinion. Unlike you, I am not a saint. I could have been arrested in the 80s, along with all my buddies in University. Amazingly, we all turned out to be upstanding citizens.

Dr. Mireles was never convicted for drug trafficking.  I mean, is that even a defined crime in Mexico....  is there a direct equivalent to the charge of trafficking in the US?  He was convicted as, basically, a grower.  And he spent aprox a year in jail.   Some of the nicest, kindest, bravest people I know have been dedicated to growing quality, organic pot for decades.  What does it have to do with anything. It was 1988, for goodness sake.  Do you even believe in paying ones debt to Society?

Practicing medicine without a licence? Again, who cares. Throw a stone in any direction in the Lakeside area and you will hit someone who is handing out medical advice without any kind of credentials. You do not know the facts with either case, but you should listen to Dr. Mireles be interviewed about these charges. He never has pretended to be a saint.

From Mexico CNN and a million other places.

http://mexico.cnn.com/nacional/2014/01/21/mireles-afirma-que-su-expediente-criminal-es-una-forma-de-denostarlo

TRANSLATION from BING of the relevant paragraph.


On 17 January, the daily newspaper Excelsior cited court records that Mireles was arrested in 1988 for possession of 86 kilos of marijuana and sentenced to seven years in prison in 1991 for crimes against health in the form of planting, cultivation, harvest and possession of marijuana. He was released in 1992, once the criminal authorities in Michoacan to conclude that it showed "adequate rehabilitation".

viajero wrote:

Pedro wrote:why? he is a DOCTOR,

Like Doctor Mike??
The guy did 4 years prison time for drug trafficking in Mexico and then did some more time in California for practicing medicine with out a license,I'll continue to refer to him as mireles.

He was not actually practicing without a licence. He introduced himself as Dr Mireles and he used the Dr title on his personal business cards, though we was not promoting a Medical practice, did not have an clinic and was not practicing medicine at the time. He spent 90 days in jail, because he did use the Dr. title, and he did discuss peoples medical problems with them. He worked as a translator for Mexicans and would accompany them to appointments etc. He was a volunteer with the Red Cross, translating. He did give advice and admits that...... while accompanying patients and translating. I am trying to find a link to the description of the actual charge. He has been in jail lots of times...... go read one of his interviews where he talks about all of it.

Just note that should you meet a retired Medical Dr. from the US or Canada, who hands you out one of those cute little social,business cards and they maintain the use of the Dr. title they are doing the same thing. Like..... when you are visiting with your retired Dr. friend and ask him if he thinks you should have surgery on your hernia. BOOM! If he answers you..... he is guilty of the same thing.

Confused: you do not sound confused at all! Thank you for your well reasoned and expressed viewpoint.

"Dr." is an academic title and can be used, lawfully, by anyone holding a doctoral degree.

doctor mireles is a medical doctor and not an academic.

Considering the successes of the federal government's crackdown on organized crime, public corruption and illegal paramilitary activities in Michoacan, it amazes me how much criticism they continue to receive. Here's yet another example of a job well done. From Cambio de Michoacan...

Tras detención de servidores públicos de Quiroga, policías fueron llamados a declarar
Probables responsables de hechos delictuosos. 23 policías municipales más fueron presentados a declarar.

http://www.cambiodemichoacan.com.mx/nota-229534

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambiodemichoacan.com.mx%2Fnota-229534

Where is la Tuta?

Dr. Mireles has supposedly been in the hospital for the last 5 days.

According to attorney Talia Vazquez, Mr. Mireles spent five days in the hospital due to high blood sugar and blood pressure levels. He has since stabilized and returned to his cell last Wednesday night. From La Jornada...

Mireles estuvo hospitalizado por altos niveles de azúcar y presión arterial

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2014/07/18/mireles-estuvo-hospitalizado-cinco-dias-por-nivel-de-azucar-y-presion-arterial-3744.html

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jornada.unam.mx%2Fultimas%2F2014%2F07%2F18%2Fmireles-estuvo-hospitalizado-cinco-dias-por-nivel-de-azucar-y-presion-arterial-3744.html

Smartalex wrote:According to attorney Talia Vazquez, Mr. Mireles spent five days in the hospital due to high blood sugar and blood pressure levels. He has since stabilized and returned to his cell last Wednesday night. From La Jornada...

Mireles estuvo hospitalizado por altos niveles de azúcar y presión arterial

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2014/07/18/mireles-estuvo-hospitalizado-cinco-dias-por-nivel-de-azucar-y-presion-arterial-3744.html

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jornada.unam.mx%2Fultimas%2F2014%2F07%2F18%2Fmireles-estuvo-hospitalizado-cinco-dias-por-nivel-de-azucar-y-presion-arterial-3744.html

Is there an echo in here?

Here's an update on the arrests of police in Quiroga. A total of 28 have now been detained. Although the police are being investigated for ties to organized crime, the organization has yet to be identified. From Informador...

Detienen a 28 policías de Michoacán por nexos con el crimen

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2014/539091/6/detienen-a-28-policias-de-michoacan-por-nexos-con-el-crimen.htm

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informador.com.mx%2Fmexico%2F2014%2F539091%2F6%2Fdetienen-a-28-policias-de-michoacan-por-nexos-con-el-crimen.htm

Smartalex wrote:Considering the successes of the federal government's crackdown on organized crime, public corruption and illegal paramilitary activities in Michoacan, it amazes me how much criticism they continue to receive.

Where is la Tuta?

elpelonchupapito wrote:

Smartalex wrote:Considering the successes of the federal government's crackdown on organized crime, public corruption and illegal paramilitary activities in Michoacan, it amazes me how much criticism they continue to receive.

Where is la Tuta?

yes indeed,where is he and will his head be shaved and threatened to be thrown out of a helicopter when he's captured if ever?
lot's of mexicans are critical of the gummints actions against the autodefencas,by the way.one does not even have to talk to mexicans personally, as some of us have, as there is plenty along these lines in many media links posted on this thread.

Just in case you have the misimpression that El Chapo Guzman has been given some sort of favored treatment by the prison authorities while Mr. Mireles has been discriminated against, this news article may help set the record straight. If anything, Mr. Mireles is the one getting favored treatment. For example, there is a court order in effect guaranteeing that Mireles receives medical care and a special diet due his diabetic condition. In addition, the National Commission on Human Rights has been closely monitoring his situation from the moment he was transferred to federal custody. The state of Michoacan Human Rights Commission monitored his situation prior to that. Mireles may well be the most well-cared-for and closely monitored inmate in the prison system since the very last thing the EPN government wants is to have him die while in their custody, which would make him a martyr to millions of Mexicans. From Borderland Beat...

Chapo and La Barbie Supposedly Initiated a 1000 Inmate Hunger Strike

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/07/chapo-and-la-barbie-supposedly.html

no misimpression was stated by me or anyone else that i know of, in the case of doctor mireles and that of el chapo. el chapo did not have his head shaved and mireles did. apparently special medical treatment was necessary[at the behest of his lawyer and concerned medical practioners and the 2 human rights commissions] to gaurantee mireles get treatment for his diabetes or die. i read nothing about a court order though. as your link says,chapo started the hunger strike along with his former enemy la barbie. interesting how they could communicate with such a large group of other prisoners when they are in solitary in the allegedly toughest fed facility in mexico. the record has not been set straight when you are comparing what goes on with mireles and a coupla narco chapos in another facility. it is clear what those 2 did and why they are where they are but there is no such clarity in the doctor mireles case.
oh,and la barbie's head wasn't shaved either even when he was captured in the us where someone stated that head shaving of prisoners was de rigueur.

There are huge differences in the two men's cases. Mireles has yet to be convicted on the weapons charges. El Chapo is a convicted criminal waiting sentencing on further charges. Mireles is a political prisoner, a fact most reputable journalists and political analysts in Mexico agree on, while el Chapo isn't.

That silence you hear is the clamor of the masses demanding the release of Mr. Mireles. A well-publicized demonstration on his behalf in Mexico City attracted between 30 and 150 demonstrators, depending on which press report you read. That roadblock out on highway 200 has been abandoned. And shaving your head in a show of solidarity for Mireles didn't really gain much traction among the general public.

So now the Mireles camp is presenting Ana Valencia, Mireles' estranged wife, as his spokesperson to see if she can garner some public support on his behalf. At a press conference in Mexico City, Ms. Valencia claimed that the weapons her husband is accused of possessing were all properly registered with the authorities. Evidently, Ms. Valencia has not seen the recorded interview with Mr. Mireles in which he states that the weapons were planted by the officials who arrested him. Ms. Valencia went on to say that Talia Vazquez is not Mr. Mireles' attorney "but only an activist friend." She identified Mr. Mireles' attorney as Juan Molino.

Armas confiscadas a Mireles, "perfectamente registradas" ante Sedena: esposa

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2014/07/22/armas-confiscadas-a-mireles-perfectamente-registradas-ante-sedena-esposa-3212.html

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jornada.unam.mx%2Fultimas%2F2014%2F07%2F22%2Farmas-confiscadas-a-mireles-perfectamente-registradas-ante-sedena-esposa-3212.html

José Trinidad Martínez Pasalagua has been arrested again. The former Michoacan transportation official was initially arrested after a video of him meeting with Templarios' jefe La Tuta surfaced on Youtube. He was shortly released by the courts due to lack of evidence. However, following a continuing investigation, he is back in the slammer. From El Universal...

Martínez Pasalagua is a Templar: PGR

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/in-english/2014/jose-trinidad-martinez-pasalagua-michoacan-servando-martinez-la-tuta-arrest-91907.html