Templarios

Yup. You need to find sources you trust (good luck with that) and do your own research. And, then other people will question you about your credibility and punch holes in what you believe is the truth you have carefully sussed out. It is a favorite pass time around here.

slainte39 wrote:Having passed through Cheran several times this year, I think the local guys are doing OK with their little town militia...always polite and respectful to outsiders that I know of.
I don't think locals (Purepechas, etc.) in that area, draw much distinction between fuerzas rurales or autodefensas (government or private designed) if they are not from the local communities.

the autodefences ARE generally looking after their own communities. they only go elsewhere when invited and then show those people how to set up their own organization but they do have open communication with each other. the setting up of the rurales was merely an attempt by the viceroy to disband the autos and the people know it. note that doctor mireles refused to disband and join the rurales gang. look what's happening to him. contrary to what some believe, doctor mireles has much support and so do the remaining autodefensas.
as to your disappointment kitchener, your last question was answered with an intelligent "whatever" by the expert you addressed.

Even though I have made three trips to the area this year, I can't really answer your question about growers, as the family of my compadre are carpenters, ice cream makers, etc., not growers. It's not the kind of question that you would walk up to and ask a stranger, i.e. "who are you paying off to do business?"
Most of the people on this board don't live, and probably don't go over to Michoacán, and if they do, it's  as "turistas  extranjeras", and not capable of gathering intelligence.
You hear stories, pro and con, over there about a lot of issues, but how can you repeat them without knowing the credibility of same.
I would be suspect of any information from anyone over there, including government, local media, or anyone else professing to being an "expert source" of same....just too cynical and trying to cover my own a$$.
Having said that there seems to be a couple of posters on this and other boards who live in Jalisco or Mexico City that have all the answers.

doctor mireles bil has been kidnapped by the teplaros

Thank you, Slainte, for your wise commentary. It is appreciated.

Meanwhile, federal and state authorities continue to roundup the thugs. Jesus Tapia, who is described as a close associate of La Tuta and one of Mexico's most-wanted criminals, has been arrested for the murders of 12 federal police officers in 2009. Once again, we are reminded that the current government is still cleaning up the mess left behind by the bumbling fools who preceded them. From Informador...


Cae narco ligado a 'La Tuta' y a muerte de 12 policías
http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2014/548682/6/cae-narco-ligado-a-la-tuta-y-a-muerte-de-12-policias.htm

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informador.com.mx%2Fmexico%2F2014%2F548682%2F6%2Fcae-narco-ligado-a-la-tuta-y-a-muerte-de-12-policias.htm

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2009/04/forum.html?m=1

Aquiles Gomez Martinez, a brother of La Tuta, was found dead in Lazaro Cardenas, the apparent victim of suicide. From the English-language version of El Universal...

Death of one of La Tuta’s brothers confirmed
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/in-english/2014/la-tuta-brother-death-94694.html

A shootout between "rival gang factions" left six dead in Uruapan. The national press reports are pretty vague and fail to mention which factions were involved. However, according to local Michoacan news sources, a narco banner was found on the scene, announcing that the Cartel Jalisco New Generation has arrived in town. From Borderland Beat...

Uruapan Michoacán, 6 dead 1 survived, CJNG leaves Narco Message "We're Here"
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/09/7-gun-down-in-uruapan-michoacan-6-dead.html

Got another video for ya. This one shows La Tuta meeting with two news reporters, discussing how best to improve his press coverage and public image. From Borderland Beat...

Video:Televisa and Esquema journalists give La Tuta "PR advice" against AD, Tuta gives them money
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/09/tuta-video-televisa-and-esquema.html

Here's the original story, including transcript in Spanish, from Noticias MVS...

'La Tuta' reparte dinero a corresponsal de Televisa y a otro periodista
http://www.noticiasmvs.com/#!/noticias/paga-la-tuta-a-corresponsal-de-televisa-y-a-otro-periodista-667.html

Not much in the way of an update. Basically, La Tuta is still free and Mr. Mireles is still locked up.

As for Mr. Tuta, the government continues to claim that capturing him is one of their top priorities. They claim he is no longer an effective leader since their relentless search forces him to move about often...sometimes with assistance from the local population.

In the case of Mr. Mireles, an appeal for his release from prison due to irregularities in his arrest was apparently ignored by the court. According to Mireles' attorney, Salvador Molina, the court had a deadline of September 17 to reach a decision on the appeal. Well, the 17th came and went...and not a word from the court.

Another mayor was exposed for meeting with La Tuta. From Informador...

Difunden fotografía del alcalde de Aquila con 'La Tuta'
http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2014/550846/6/difunden-fotografia-del-alcalde-de-aquila-con-la-tuta.htm

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informador.com.mx%2Fmexico%2F2014%2F550846%2F6%2Fdifunden-fotografia-del-alcalde-de-aquila-con-la-tuta.htm

That photo of La Tuta meeting with the mayor of Aquila turned out to be bogus. Oh yeah, that is Mr. Tuta seated next to hizoner. But this was hardly some sort of a private, conspiratorial meeting between the two. The photo is a still shot from a video that was taken at a community meeting at a local elementary school...something like a PTA meeting. The mayor claims he was coerced into attending the meeting due to threats from Mr. Tuta.

So what the fuck was La Tuta doing at a PTA meeting? And why the fuck did it take threats from a criminal cartel to get the mayor to attend? As a former teacher, perhaps Mr. Tuta has a special interest in education. If nothing else, this is a reminder of just how pervasive the Templarios were, reaching into every aspect of the society...and just how acceptable that was to a large segment of that society.

Alex....PTA=parents, TEACHERS , assn.

Just heard that it doesn't pay to do business or associate with La Tuta.
The government just seized the hotel and warehouse in the town, where La Tuta was conducting many of these interviews/meetings that are circulating on video, as of late. Also a gasolinera where the Templarios fueled up. I imagine it would have been a difficult task for an attendant at a gasolinera to refuse service to these guys.

Here's the news story about Mr. Tuta's properties being confiscated. From the English-language version of El Universal...

Three buildings seized from La Tuta
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/in-english/2014/la-tuta-servando-gomez-martinez-buildings-seized-95147.html

And a photo tour of Mr. Tuta's former warehouse. From Grillonautas...

La Morsa (the walrus), another top dog Templario, has been captured near Zihuatenejo.

Another drug capo fell today....Hector Beltran Leyva (El H), from one of the Sinaloa families.

As Slainte noted, the government continues its efforts to track down and eliminate the Templarios. Pablo Magana Serrato, La Morsa, is being described in the Mexican press as one of La Tuta's closest associates. Last week, Mr. Tuta's brother apparently committed suicide as a military assault team closed in to arrest him. Also last week, one of Mr. Tuta's personal bodyguards was arrested. Anyone who thinks that the government is not actively pursuing La Tuta is obviously misinformed.

Of course, the capture of Hector Beltran Leyva is the big news. The Templarios are just a bunch of small-time country hicks compared to the Beltran Leyva Organization. However, taking down the heads of these cartels really has little effect on controlling organized crime. Someone else just steps in to take his place. Or worse, the underlings fight for control of the organization. This scenario was repeated over and over during the Calderon regime...with disastrous results.

When you cut off the head of the snake you are also cutting off the brains leaving the mindless street idiots to run the show.

Diluted brains are usually less effective and competent in most endeavors.

slainte39 wrote:Another drug capo fell today....

Do any of these guys ever just retire when they've made their fortune,it seems like they enjoy the life and are resigned to the fact that they will end up being killed or imprisoned.

viajero wrote:

slainte39 wrote:Another drug capo fell today....

Do any of these guys ever just retire when they've made their fortune,it seems like they enjoy the life and are resigned to the fact that they will end up being killed or imprisoned.

Or at least end up nationalizing vehicles.  

Beltran Leyva  was trying to act retired or legal around SMA and Queretaro but ssometimes you just can't escape your past.

slainte39 wrote:

viajero wrote:

slainte39 wrote:Another drug capo fell today....

Do any of these guys ever just retire when they've made their fortune,it seems like they enjoy the life and are resigned to the fact that they will end up being killed or imprisoned.

Or at least end up nationalizing vehicles.  

Beltran Leyva  was trying to act retired or legal around SMA and Queretaro but ssometimes you just can't escape your past.

Chapo Guzman also tried to retire from the biz...didn't work out all that well for him either.

Carrillo Fuentes, El Viceroy, head of the Juarez Cartel was taken down today in Torreon.

The perfect diversion from the 40 something students kidnapped by the police, incinerated, and buried in a mass grave, doesn't it?

Trailrunner wrote:The perfect diversion from the 40 something students kidnapped by the police, incinerated, and buried in a mass grave, doesn't it?

I don't think the investigation and action in Coahuila had anything to do with what happened in Guerrero. And besides, it wasn't any kind of a diversion, little alone, a perfect one.
The Mexican newspapers are full of what happened in Iguala, very little about the capture of Carrillo Fuentes.