inapam cards

hound dog wrote:Since when is getting a discount good for the Mexican economy when you're taking profits away from Mexicans who are far poorer than you?

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hound dog quote - I find my response to this idiotic,racist and inexcusable post by John to be missing. Was it deleted by a moderator? If so, let´s discuss why and we can go from there.[/quote]

What's YOUR problem? Are you going to tell the Mods what to do? Maybe you should do everyone a favor and post elsewhere.

John, I just posted that comment about two minutes ago and there was your cheesy response just like that. As it happens, I was addressing the moderator; not you. Now that you are selling your house at Lakeside to become a North Carolina hillbilly, I´m beginning to actually like you now that you have dropped that phony Italian pretense. If you´d like. i have a cheese grits with hog jowls recipe to help you fit in up there.

Mad_Max wrote:anyone know if chapala is issuing them? And best time to go in, in the morning?

Could I politely ask that we keep this thread on track. Four pages of sniping. Why not start your own thread on why you should, or should not get a card.

That wasn't the question.

The question was - does anyone know if they are still issuing them.

I didn't ask what your opinion was as to whether i should get one or not. Amazing how many felt they should offer it up and then took the time to rant on a post.

Agreed.

John & Dawg, take your little spat to the Octagon.

So most of the discounts on Inapam, at least those that are attractive to most retirees, are offered by private companies, in an attempt to boost their business. Nothing new there. Imagine when North Ajijic's favorite son returns to the home of the brave, to find the McDonald's clerk telling him "Sorry sir, we ran your credit, you make too much to qualify for the free senior's coffee and newspaper, you will have to go to Starbucks and pay $4 for a coffee and $1.25 for a paper".

CanuckBob wrote:Agreed.

John & Dawg, take your little spat to the Octagon.

Sorry Bob, Dawg and others. I thought the INAPAM card could be used for small businesses and would take money away from small businesses.

I'll say no more. Maybe I'm the dumb one for not having one.

Mad_Max wrote: The question was - does anyone know if they are still issuing them.

My wife was trying to get one for the generous discount (incentive) on medical tests and prescriptions. She saw the Habachts in Jocotepec (now there's a tongue twister!). Unofficially, the Jocotepec D.I.F does not like to give cards to gringos, I believe Chapala D.I.F. is the same. It turns out they were closed anyways, and the person there said that the program is under review with the new regime - no cards right now. There seems to be a lot of autonomy among the D.I.F. offices, especially the ones hiring those always hard to employ Trotskyites and Maoists, who take the responsibility of issuing of what is really a simple senior's card, to a whole new level.

In fairness to John, those businesses who give senior and disabled discounts could very well be tracking them and using them as a tax deduction - I don't know, but that makes sense.

CHILLIN wrote: especially the ones hiring those always hard to employ Trotskyites and Maoists

HUH???
Isn't that a little harsh for the description of DIF employees...seems almost like a hidden agenda?
But then again, I don't know what "Trotskyites and Maoists" really do?

And wiki says:
Maoists, consider it as an anti-Revisionist form of Marxism-Leninism.[citation needed] Developed during the 1950s and 1960s, it was widely applied as the political and military guiding ideology of the Communist Party of China (CPC).
Maoism sees the agrarian peasantry, rather than the working class, as the key revolutionary force which can fundamentally transform capitalist society towards socialism. Holding that "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"[1] Maoist organizations mainly draw upon Mao's ideology of the People's War, mobilizing large parts of rural populations to revolt against established institutions by engaging in guerrilla warfare. Maoism views the industrial-rural divide as a major division exploited by capitalism, identifying capitalism as involving industrial urban developed "First World" societies ruling over rural developing "Third World" societies.[2] Maoism identifies peasant insurgencies in particular national contexts were part of a context of world revolution, in which Maoism views the global countryside would overwhelm the global cities.

Trotskyism is the theory of Marxism as advocated by Leon Trotsky. Trotsky identified as an orthodox Marxist and Bolshevik-Leninist, and supported founding a vanguard party of the working-class.

Trotskyism is not a new movement, a new doctrine, but the restoration, the revival of genuine Marxism as it was expounded and practiced in the Russian revolution and in the early days of the Communist International."
According to Trotsky, his thought could be distinguished from other Marxist theories by five key elements:
Support for the strategy of permanent revolution, in opposition to the Two Stage Theory of his opponents;[5]
Criticism of the post-1924 leadership of the Soviet Union, analysis of its features[6] and after 1933, support for political revolution in the Soviet Union and in what Trotskyists term the deformed workers' states;
Support for social revolution in the advanced capitalist countries through working class mass action;
Support for proletarian internationalism;[7] and
Use of a 'transitional' programme of demands that bridge between daily struggles of the working class and the 'maximal' ideas of the socialist transformation of society[8]
On the political spectrum of Marxism, Trotskyists are considered to be on the left. They supported democratic rights in the USSR,[9] opposed political deals with the imperialist powers, and advocated a spreading of the revolution throughout Europe and Asia.

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espíritu del lago wrote:And wiki says:
Maoists, consider it as an anti-Revisionist form of Marxism-Leninism.[citation needed] Developed during the 1950s and 1960s, it was widely applied as the political and military guiding ideology of the Communist Party of China (CPC).
Maoism sees the agrarian peasantry, rather than the working class, as the key revolutionary force which can fundamentally transform capitalist society towards socialism. Holding that "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"[1] Maoist organizations mainly draw upon Mao's ideology of the People's War, mobilizing large parts of rural populations to revolt against established institutions by engaging in guerrilla warfare. Maoism views the industrial-rural divide as a major division exploited by capitalism, identifying capitalism as involving industrial urban developed "First World" societies ruling over rural developing "Third World" societies.[2] Maoism identifies peasant insurgencies in particular national contexts were part of a context of world revolution, in which Maoism views the global countryside would overwhelm the global cities.

Trotskyism is the theory of Marxism as advocated by Leon Trotsky. Trotsky identified as an orthodox Marxist and Bolshevik-Leninist, and supported founding a vanguard party of the working-class.

Trotskyism is not a new movement, a new doctrine, but the restoration, the revival of genuine Marxism as it was expounded and practiced in the Russian revolution and in the early days of the Communist International."
According to Trotsky, his thought could be distinguished from other Marxist theories by five key elements:
Support for the strategy of permanent revolution, in opposition to the Two Stage Theory of his opponents;[5]
Criticism of the post-1924 leadership of the Soviet Union, analysis of its features[6] and after 1933, support for political revolution in the Soviet Union and in what Trotskyists term the deformed workers' states;
Support for social revolution in the advanced capitalist countries through working class mass action;
Support for proletarian internationalism;[7] and
Use of a 'transitional' programme of demands that bridge between daily struggles of the working class and the 'maximal' ideas of the socialist transformation of society[8]
On the political spectrum of Marxism, Trotskyists are considered to be on the left. They supported democratic rights in the USSR,[9] opposed political deals with the imperialist powers, and advocated a spreading of the revolution throughout Europe and Asia.

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As related to DIF employees in the Municipalities of Chapala and Jocotepec....NO!!!!

The official INAPAM website states what identification is required for SENIOR FOREIGNERS to get their INAPAM card. This is just another example of Federal Law being interpreted differently by the little Demigods that run local offices (eg. Jocotepec)
And, Dawg, you can get a 15% discount on an Aeromexico Flight...it just doesn't say if that's within Mexico or Internationally...but it would be worth checking out.
Discounts are not all 50%...but, for some people, any discount is a good discount.

There are very few seats available with a discount on AeroMexico, internationally or nationally. I have never gotten a discount on Aeromexico with the INAPAm card. I am sure some people do but I never got one.
Businesses offer whatever discount they want, there is no set discount for INAPAM across the board. Businesses who do not want to give a discount do not offer one.

My first instinct was to bring up the "Soup Nazi" on the old Seinfeld show. But Fascism and Nazis are not funny (well, The Producers was). I truly understand the pressure the DIF workers are under, these are the "Social Workers" of Mexico working on a very limited budget. Seniors here get a pension of roughly $200 US per month when they are 65 - if they were lucky enough to have contributed to the plan. Don't forget, they are also helping the disabled and handicapped. I can only guess that working in this pressure pot would change your mind about giving away a card worth a few pesos. Patient, gentle, persistent is the key.

The lady who issues the cards in Jocotepec will not, or cannot speak a word of English. You have to run over to the nearby City Hall and ask for an Jocotepec employee called Jorge, who will walk over to the DIF office and help you. You could also ask the Habachts to help, and they will free of charge. They are real nice people and doing everything they can too boost Jocotepec.

Pobrecitos gringos,"muertos de hambre", buscando descuentos en Mexico,,es el colmo...

, don't you know it!! A few could miss several months of meals and I doubt anyone would notice.

[quote="CHILLIN"]My first instinct was to bring up the "Soup Nazi" on the old Seinfeld show.

While Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld deserve credit for writing and performing one of the great Seinfeld episodes of all time based on the "Soup Nazi" episode, I must remind all that the soup nazi was a real guy who actually owned a soup joint in Manhattan in, if memory serves me, the 1980s or thereabouts. His soups were reported to have been sublime and his attitude toward clients uncompromising. Of course the Seinfeld episode.which I could watch repeatedly for eternity, had a contrived ending but this was based on a true story.

We had a similar character in Sonoma, California in the 1970s who ran a place called Juanita´s Kitchen. She must have weighed a good 400 pounds and was a formidable character . She was ruthless, crude and beyond vulgar. If she took your order the request was, "What the f*ck do you want?" followed after your order by , "Only an idiot would order that!" As a consequence, her restaurant was filled to capacity every weekend by people from the all over the Bay Area who had driven for hours for the pleasure of being insulted. Incidentally, the food, for the 1970s, was quite good and served in copious quantities.

[quote="viajero"]Pobrecitos gringos,"muertos de hambre", buscando descuentos en Mexico,,es el colmo...[/quote]

Perhaps we are attempting to be humorous here but we may not be succeeding. I, The Dawg, like your input, viajero, but let´s not be too precious, por favor.

What I really want as I begin my journey into my 70s, is loose shoes, unbinding jockey shorts, obedient dogs, all the Spam I can eat and a warm place to sh*t.

That kind of crack caused Earl Butts to lose his job a few years ago.

hound dog wrote:[quote="viajero"]Pobrecitos gringos,"muertos de hambre", buscando descuentos en Mexico,,es el colmo...

Perhaps we are attempting to be humorous here but we may not be succeeding. I, The Dawg, like your input, viajero, but let´s not be too precious, por favor. [/quote]


I,The Viajero,like your input too,dawg,eres precioso.

viajero wrote:

hound dog wrote:[quote="viajero"]Pobrecitos gringos,"muertos de hambre", buscando descuentos en Mexico,,es el colmo...

Perhaps we are attempting to be humorous here but we may not be succeeding. I, The Dawg, like your input, viajero, but let´s not be too precious, por favor.

I,The Viajero,like your input too,dawg,eres precioso.[/quote]

Touché.