Killings in Veracruz

Heard on the radio this morning that they found 35 bodies. I thought Veracruz was one of the safer places. I LOVE the highlands. Land of waterfalls and rivers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/mexico-bodies-gunmen_n_973298.html

Veracruz has been in turmoil for a while now. Sad.

Looks like the "turmoil" has escalated horrifically. I really enjoyed the state of Veracruz...kind of like the Pacific Northwest on steroids. It seems lilke there's nowhere that the scumbags haven't infected.

Kim, Darlin´ Mobile Dawg does not think your experiences with Veracruz State indicate much exposure to that place. It happens that it is one of Dawg´s favorite places and a land of much contrast environmentally but I like its edge. Metropolitan Memphis has an edge as well as does your podunk town in nearby Mississippi but Veracruz is funky magic with all the ugliness that implies. Just like New Orleans. Relax and scratch yo ass.

Dawg

Hi Bama Boy, no not much...one day at the beach and a week in the highlands. The waterfalls were breathtaking. You know old country girl me fell in love with the lush pastures filled with slick, fat cows and sleek horses...a little different from what you see Lakeside. I did miss the tianguis though, they seemed to be non existant...at least I never found any....but the little hole in the wall shops with the homemade liqueurs? THOSE I DID find!

Hmmmm, now what was I saying a couple of weeks ago?


Security expert Raul Benitez agreed it could be possible, however, because Guzman is forming alliances to attack the Zetas in other parts of Mexico. He said Guzman is seeking both to control territory and to punish the Zetas for attacking civilians, something that is shunned by most drug traffickers and that has ramped up government heat on all cartels. Veracruz, with its major port, is a key route for cocaine passing through Mexico from Guatemala en route to Texas.

The Zetas have been blamed in two of Mexico's biggest mass killings of civilians since the federal government stepped up a crackdown on organized crime in 2006: the massacre last year of 72 migrants in Tamaulipas and a casino fire last month in the northern industrial city of Monterrey that killed 52 people, mostly women playing bingo and slot machines.


The real narcs rarely if ever go after civilians. These Zetas seem to be an especially bad element.

These were not "civilians." They too were criminals. Read the press.

I think he was suggesting that G's boys are hunting Z's for the atrocities they have committed.

OK, my bad.

Well the "chisme" or gossip is that it is possible that the dead may not all be bad guys and it could be a cover story for people to more easily accept what happened and not be shocked as all the ones killed were "bad guys" but the reality is that in what countries can over 30 bodies be thrown on a main thoroughfare in the daytime and nobody stops and no bad guys caught. This is more of a continuation of a crisis of values.

Intercasa wrote:Well the "chisme" or gossip is that it is possible that the dead may not all be bad guys and it could be a cover story for people to more easily accept what happened and not be shocked as all the ones killed were "bad guys" but the reality is that in what countries can over 30 bodies be thrown on a main thoroughfare in the daytime and nobody stops and no bad guys caught. This is more of a continuation of a crisis of values.

Yeah? So what does the "chisme" say about who the victims really are and why would completely innocent peiople have suffered such a fate? And tell us, oh virtuous one, would you have stopped? And what would stopping accomplish except getting yourself killed?

Viva Mexico cabrones!!!!! Yeah, you would have stopped with your daughter and honest construction workers to lay down the law, blah blah blah

But on a positive note I saw Vicente Fernandez inaugurating the new retorno today by la arena VFG. He was with the presidente of Tlajomulco. He was sportin a white Range Rover and lots of police protection.

For those who just read fluff news stories from NOB media, there is some speculation in the Mexican media that the Gulf Cartel was involved in the three jail/prison breaks earlier in the week that allowed 32 prisoners to escape. Reports have it that some of these bodies were the escaped prisoners. What better way to make a point? Help Zetas escape and then kill them to not only make a point but eliminate the need for the justice system to turn them loose!

Intercasa wrote:Viva Mexico cabrones!!!!! Yeah, you would have stopped with your daughter and honest construction workers to lay down the law, blah blah blah

But on a positive note I saw Vicente Fernandez inaugurating the new retorno today by la arena VFG. He was with the presidente of Tlajomulco. He was sportin a white Range Rover and lots of police protection.

So come on big man, what does the "chisme" say? Its kind of hard to believe some one in a place so far removed from Boca del Rio would have access to insider info. But then, you know all the "right people". Talk about blah, blah, blah.

CheenaGringo wrote:For those who just read fluff news stories from NOB media, there is some speculation in the Mexican media that the Gulf Cartel was involved in the three jail/prison breaks earlier in the week that allowed 32 prisoners to escape. Reports have it that some of these bodies were the escaped prisoners. What better way to make a point? Help Zetas escape and then kill them to not only make a point but eliminate the need for the justice system to turn them loose!

Dawg thinks you are getting warm, Neil. Perhaps some military and citizen posse involvement is to be anticipated at this juncture in a drug war with no end in sight. Why doesn´t Mexico take a hint from the U.S. management of the endless war in Afghanistan and not only make deals with drug growers, suppliers and corrupt regional war lords but even facilitate shipment of drugs into major market areas the way the U.S. did in building bridges into Uzbekistan to expedite shipments from Afghanistan to European markets.

Dawg visits Veracruz State at least four times a year and, in fact, is in the planning stages of a drive from Lake Chapala to Papantla and down the coast through Veracruz City to Catemaco and on into Chiapas through Villahermosa, Tabasco but is rethinking that planned luncheon stop at a famous seafood joint in Central Boca Del Rio due to potential traffic congestion resulting from obstructions on the local freeway. Chiapas and Tabasco also may be a bit iffy with those tropical storms/hurricanes brewing here and there and threatening rain on already saturated ground. The problem in Chiapas is not bodies of gang or vigilante justice reposing in the roadway but mountainsides and mountainside villages falling into the roadway during heavy rains. This is not a boring drive.

As one who visits Veracruz often on my way to Chiapas, I can assure Kippy and others that, while they are correct that it is a beautiful state if one gets off the beaten path, it is most assuredly a violent place. The best way to drive through there is to emulate Dawg when I was a banker in Oakland, California in the 1980s and many of my industrial clients were headquatered in violent East Oakland along or near a corridor of ongoing urban crime. Dawg would hunker down in his undistinguished bank car, look straight ahead and bob my head as if I were grooving to R&B music. This tactic was designed to make me seem copacetic to the young folks hanging out on the street corners there. The city tried to help by renaming the infamous Fruitvale District the International District but that didn´t work so, Boca Del Rio, an attractive and affluent suburb of Veracruz City, can skip the name change idea and Dawg may skip lunch there and have lunch in Tlacotalpan instead.

Maybe we ought to just avoid any of the "chisme de hoy" stuff, after all, what happened last week? The "chisme" had grenades exploding all over the Independence day festivities, and or other unexplained violence complete with flyers and emails. What actually happened.......nothing.