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Post by slainte39 on Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:11 am

Right or wrong, the MP version will be the one that counts legally.

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Post by too young for ajijic on Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:14 am

Guadalajara Reporter:

"Lakeside neighborhood dispute ends in tragedy. By Dale Hoyt Pafrey
A dispute among residents of the Vista Alegre residential complex culminated early Tuesday, May 29 with the fatal shooting of a Mexican man inflicted by the president of the condominium homeowners association (HOA), a U.S. citizen holding permanent resident status in this country. While local authorities ignored repeated enquiries by this newspaper, details of the incident were revealed by Vista Alegre board vice president and treasurer Ken Corbin, who has been closely involved with the situation prior to and since the shooting occurred. In keeping with journalistic standards stipulated under Mexico’s criminal justice sys-tem, complete names of the victim and the shooter are omitted from his account of the chain of events. According to Corbin, the dead man, Antonio “N”, 39, had resided in the upscale condo complex located near the south end of the Libramiento bypass for several years with his brother. His mother and stepfather live in another Vista Alegre home. Tony apparently suffered from physical and psychological disabilities that affected his dealings with other people. He owned four pit bulls known for uncontrolled and vicious behavior that had become a neighborhood nuisance. The HOA recently issued him notice to get rid of all but one of animals, prompting a personal grudge against Walter “N”, the board president. Corbin says that Tony initially agreed to comply with the order and then reneged, even though other residents had helped find new homes for the troublesome dogs. His rage against Walter built up until around 7 a.m. on Tuesday he charged into the courtyard of Walter’s home where his wife had opened the gate, mistaking the angry intruder for the couple’s landscaper. After berating her verbally, he launched a physical attack, grabbing her by the neck. Hearing his spouse scream for help, Walter emerged from the home with a shotgun. He demanded that Tony leave, but he refused, continuing a heated argument. As a struggle over the weapon ensued, the gun fired and Tony fell dead on the spot with a wound to the upper torso. During the scuffle Walter suffered an injury to his right hand that caused profuse bleeding. Local police were promptly alerted and arrived within minutes. A state forensic team eventually appeared to retrieve the corpse. Walter was taken into custody and delivered to the Chapala Ministerio Público (district attorney) to give a statement. He was held overnight at the municipal clinic under medical care of the on-duty physician. The following day he was transported to the regional court for a preliminary hearing that included testimony from numerous witnesses. The presiding judge determined Walter had acted in legitimate defense of his property and family, immediately releasing him without criminal charges. Funeral arrangements for Tony were unknown at press time. Corbin qualifies the incident as a “terrible tragedy” that has traumatized all parties involved."

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Post by Carry Bean on Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:47 am

Are we to assume then that the gun was legal since no criminal charges were filed?

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Post by too young for ajijic on Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:58 am

My assumption, right or wrong, is that a large amount of money changed hands.

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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:22 pm

The report is certainly different than the one Jinja portrayed above. It looks like case closed.

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Post by Carry Bean on Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:55 pm

I think I will name my next dog “Chisme.”

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Post by gringal on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:10 pm

Interesting item from among the many discrepancies in this superchisme reporting:

"As I understand from information that came from the mother of the victim, who was not at home at the time, the dispute concerned little toy poodle dogs. Who in this world pulls a gun out and shoots point blank at a person with the mental age of TEN over some little dogs barking?" (jinja)

...which, according to the GR, were four vicious pit bulls that weren't kept properly confined and had been a neighborhood nuisance before.

You have to wonder how this stuff gets so far out of whack. Rolling Eyes

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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:46 pm

Not sure......ask Lisa J or her friend Jinja?

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Post by jinja on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:32 pm

oncesubtle wrote:
jinja wrote:Mexico Pete, Okay, point taken, Canuck Bob is off the hook. The person who wrote the Facebook post is the one who should be taken to task for assuming it is the Mexican who is the bad guy.

Congratulations CBob, you're off the hook! Now if jinja can just get Slainte straightened out it will be o.k.  Rolling Eyes

Gee, I didn't read the rules too closely so I guess I missed where the moderator is allowed to use sarcasm and ridicule commenters.

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Post by jinja on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:33 pm

CanuckBob wrote:Not sure......ask Lisa J or her friend Jinja?

Hey there Canuck Bob. Where do you get that Lisa J and I are pals? (asking for a friend.)

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Post by jinja on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:39 pm

Lady Otter Latté wrote:Ninja is one of a type of expat I avoid.

VERY glad to hear it.

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Post by jinja on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:40 pm

Y'all can't even be bothered to learn proper Spanish. "Allegra" is not a Spanish word.

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Post by Gamina on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:50 pm

jinja wrote:Y'all can't even be bothered to learn proper Spanish. "Allegra" is not a Spanish word.

You are surely getting off on a shaky foot with folks who frequent this forum. Canuck Bob owns this forum and he can do anything he wants. You post like you are looking for a fight with everyone. And you will get it until CB kicks you off
for being the troublemaker you are. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by jinja on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:56 pm

Gamina wrote:
jinja wrote:Y'all can't even be bothered to learn proper Spanish. "Allegra" is not a Spanish word.

You are surely getting off on a shaky foot with folks who frequent this forum.  Canuck Bob owns this forum and he can do anything he wants.  You post like you are looking for a fight with everyone.  And you will get it until CB kicks you off
for being the troublemaker you are. Evil or Very Mad

Well, then. I was not aware that anyone owned this thing. Don't bother showing me the door.

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Post by CanuckBob on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:57 pm

jinja wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Not sure......ask Lisa J or her friend Jinja?

Hey there Canuck Bob. Where do you get that Lisa J and I are pals? (asking for a friend.)
Well I figured since you both tell tales that seem personally biased and mostly untrue then.........you know, birds of a feather and what not.

You still haven't accounted for how your "version" of events differs from reality. Do tell?

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Post by Carry Bean on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:52 pm

Probably one and the same.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:23 pm

[quote="jinja"Well, then. I was not aware that anyone owned this thing.  Don't bother showing me the door.[/quote]

Jinja thought no one owned “this thing”? So, s/he thought it magically invented itself and operates autonomously? This makes Jinja even more stupid than previous posts indicated. Luckily, s/he has shown itself the door and is gone. What a throughly unpleasant, ignorant, dishonest person s/he turned out to be.
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Post by Smartalex on Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:29 pm

gringal wrote:Interesting item from among the many discrepancies in this superchisme reporting:

"As I understand from information that came from the mother of the victim, who was not at home at the time, the dispute concerned little toy poodle dogs. Who in this world pulls a gun out and shoots point blank at a person with the mental age of TEN over some little dogs barking?" (jinja)

...which, according to the GR, were four vicious pit bulls that weren't kept properly confined and had been a neighborhood nuisance before.

You have to wonder how this stuff gets so far out of whack. Rolling Eyes

Kinda verifies the value of having an open forum to discuss these issues.
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Post by slainte39 on Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:11 pm

too young for ajijic wrote:My assumption, right or wrong, is that a large amount of money changed hands.  


The MP bought the weapon from the shooter?.....

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Post by CanuckBob on Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:23 am

Ok, since this matter has been investigated and closed I don't think any further discussion is required. A tragic event for all parties involved.

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