Shaw/Starhoice providers....BEWARE WHEN MAKING DEPOSITS

CanuckBob wrote:Receiving any Shaw signal in Mexico under a fake Canadian address is probably illegal so your already in for a penny Dawg.

Yoiu hurt me CB. What makes you think that Dawg does no live in Canada as well as Mexico? I mean, even if I don´t live in Canada, I´ve always wanted to live in The Frozen Tundra but it´s just as Brother Dave Gardner used tio say before he died of liver failure from drinking too much Early Times in 1965; "Folks only live up nawth ´cause they has jobs up there."

I was in Canada once back in 1966. In Vancouver to be more precise. It was a Sunday and I drove up from Seattle where I was working on assignment from my home in Los Angeles. Now, I know things have changed since then but in those days, there were blue laws in BC and I'm a sumbitch if I could not buy a drink in Vancouver on a Sunday so I got the hell out of there. Hell, I moved from Alabama to California just to get away from blue laws and, incidentally, to meet Nanette Funicello in Santa Monica but that is another story of unfulfilled desires. I would have settled for Troy Donahue but he wasn´t available either having just moved in with Tony Perkins. Bad timing.

David wrote:Receiving the signal is not illegal, it's simply in violation of Shaw's Terms of Service if your account is not registered to your Canadian address. BTW, my Canadian address is real.

So is mine, by God. 1000 Ice Patch Highway; Frozen Tundra, Saskatchewan. Well, Shaw believed it, anyway.

I always wanted to move to Canada but back in the 1960s every time a white boy drove north, we were stopped at the Tennessee state line and ordered back to any place south of Montgomery. Black folks had no problem getting through as long as they had a one way ticket to Chicago or Detroit.

Reminds me of an old Dick Gregory joke from those years. He has been dead for many years but he called this "Freedom Rider Roulette". It seems that black folks were presented with a hat with six Greyhound bus tickets from which to choose blindly. Five tickets were for travel to Chicago and one was to Birmingham.

David wrote:Receiving the signal is not illegal, it's simply in violation of Shaw's Terms of Service if your account is not registered to your Canadian address. BTW, my Canadian address is real.

To be fully compliant with Shaw's terms I believe you need to be a resident of Canada not just have an address. Also I wouldn't bet that some international law isn't being breached here. Not that I care......I'm just saying. The bottom line is that whether you are stacking accounts or pretending to be a resident of somewhere that you are not you have already crossed the line "per say".

International Treaty, not law. It's murky, Johanson has a summer cabin in B.C. that he visits. He's a Seattle and Ajijic resident. Go figure. I'm thinking that as long as they have a credit card to charge and one is paying every month it's pretty much OK.

David wrote:International Treaty, not law. It's murky, Johanson has a summer cabin in B.C. that he visits. He's a Seattle and Ajijic resident. Go figure. I'm thinking that as long as they have a credit card to charge and one is paying every month it's pretty much OK.

Well said, David. Every month, Shaw charges me $82USD so I can guffaw at weather reports from places like Yellowknife or Dead Horse or Medicine Jockstrap. It´s worth every penny.

I suspect it has to do with the money the Sat companies have to pay to the companies that provide the shows. They pay a license fee based on the number of available households in the viewing area. Also, each country has its own regulatory authorities. I'm sure the guys that own Sky or the local cable companies arent happy with Shaw & (U.S.) Dish being viewed here at the expense of us buying their service. The Mexican Dish service is mostly in Spanish. Of course none of them care that the majority of us Gringos here con't speak much Spanish , so we are forced to stack. Make no mistake, even if you get your account thru CP or some other provider, it's bootlegged...just like the dvd's we all love buying for $2-3.

Not necessarily, one can rent a Canadian or US address and have their own account as the Dawg and I do. There's no stacking or bootlegging going on with us, the provider (in our case Shaw) gets full revenue from us.

That is correct but you are still masquerading as Canadian residents in order to purchase the service. No skin off Shaw's nose however as Mr. Trucks pointed out the Mexican suppliers couldn't be too happy about it and may one day make an issue about it..........doubtful but they could.

CanuckBob wrote:That is correct but you are still masquerading as Canadian residents in order to purchase the service. No skin off Shaw's nose however as Mr. Trucks pointed out the Mexican suppliers couldn't be too happy about it and may one day make an issue about it..........doubtful but they could.

If the Mexicans provided an equivalent English language service, Dawg would be the first person to cancel Shaw and subscribe to the Mexican service. The ONLY reason Dawg subscribes to a foreign service is that no alternative satellite service with an even closely equivalent English language programming is available in Mexico. This is all about corrupt governmental control of available programming. Do not kid yourself.

I do not now nor have I ever participated in "stacking" and every Goddamned month I pay $82 USD to Shaw for the privilege of watching their satellite programming if for no other reason than to watch people still forced to live in The Frozen Tundra suffer through another January. Thank God there is still some justice in the world. If those Canadian Codos cut me off, I´ll send my monthly $82 to Birmingham and watch Alabama whip Florida's ass every October. I will miss those Yellowknife weather reports and the curling championships from Manitoba but I´ll survive. Gawd!

OK your exonerated........eh.

Now if you want to see some milder weather on your programming you should "move" to Vancouver........Jaja. The natives don't even want to live in Manitoba....

CanuckBob wrote:OK your exonerated........eh.

Now if you want to see some milder weather on your programming you should "move" to Vancouver........Jaja. The natives don't even want to live in Manitoba....

Thank you, CB but since I made fun of Canadian weather just before killer tornadoes ripped through my old stompimg grounds of Tuscaloosa, perhaps my timing was inopportune.

When we moved to San Cristóbal de Las Casas in the Chiapas Highlands, we inquired among indigenous friends as to whether or not they ever had tornadoes in the Jovel Valley and were told that, at one time, tornadoes were a problem but locals formed a volunteer tornado fighting squad who, at the first sign of any possible tornado, raced out and cut it to pieces with machetes. My, what the European encroachers could have learned in Dawg´s Alabama and Chiapas had they listened to the natives upon arrival.

...Pretty scarry what's going on in the SE USA. Makes you wonder if their is something to global warming. It's seems to be hotting up about a month earlier here on the Lago. Reports of Rainbirds are already happening. So Dawg, better get the roof checked & the gutters cleaned sooner rather than later...my money's on a early rainy season.

C'mon now

The people that "sell" part of a personal/household license/receiver/whatever are thieves selling to a "fence". The people who buy stolen services are as guilty. If someone offers to share their household license they too are stealing from Shaw. If you share another persons license, you are stealing from Shaw.

Having a vendor that has addresses that enable you to subscribe to Shaw and pay the full prices to Shaw and discuss subscription issues with Shaw is different. At least Shaw, the supplier of the air services, is not losing money.

I won't share mine and I wont ask anyone to share theirs.

To each his own.

The only people I knew who could provide Shaw service wanted me to pay them, & they would pay Shaw...I'd heared enough horror stories to know that I didn't want to get envolved in that. So I'm surprised to learn that some of you have phony addresses in Canada. But let's be clear: Anybody using Shaw in Mexico is guilty to a degree. Shaw's terms of service make it pretty clear their service is for use in Canada only. I'll bet those limitations are part of their license issued by the Canadian Govt. So if Shaw lets you pay with a non-Canadian credit/debit card, they should know you are probably not in Canada. So they wink, nod, & poach in the Mexican provider's market. That is also defrauding the program providers who sell to Shaw, but are marketing the same programs to Mexican service providers. Ain''t nobdy lilly white in this pond.

I used cp electronics - bought an SD receiver from them (2470) - and they installed a free dish that I found. Color me happy with their service. I am sharing service with a neighbor - and am also happy with that arrangement.

I used CP too. I already had 2-4ft Dishnet dishes, but dumped Dish when they went to the new Sat. I relly enjoy the Canadian programming better.

While we're trying to decide who and how guilty those people are who enjoy the benefits of Shaw programming..............why is it so impossible to get any other good programming in English that includes Public TV, the great TVO station from Canada and in general something besides the pathetic offerings available here such as Telecable?

I will croak if Shaw gets pulled out of here. Love it. Best I've ever had anywhere.

Carry Bean wrote:I will croak if Shaw gets pulled out of here. Love it. Best I've ever had anywhere.

I'll make a louder noise than that.

I will also croak if Shaw is discontinued here. I've had Telecable in Guadalajara - terrible service, and DISH. I understand the Mexican DISH is mostly in Spanish.

GBATRUCKS wrote:The only people I knew who could provide Shaw service wanted me to pay them, & they would pay Shaw...I'd heared enough horror stories to know that I didn't want to get envolved in that. So I'm surprised to learn that some of you have phony addresses in Canada. But let's be clear: Anybody using Shaw in Mexico is guilty to a degree. Shaw's terms of service make it pretty clear their service is for use in Canada only. I'll bet those limitations are part of their license issued by the Canadian Govt. So if Shaw lets you pay with a non-Canadian credit/debit card, they should know you are probably not in Canada. So they wink, nod, & poach in the Mexican provider's market. That is also defrauding the program providers who sell to Shaw, but are marketing the same programs to Mexican service providers. Ain''t nobdy lilly white in this pond.

Well sort of but CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, PBS, CBC and CTV do not market in Mexico. The ones that do market here sell a different product, e.g. ESPN LatAm. And no one is being defrauded, we all pay full price. Canadiana are allowed to have a 2nd home (and 2nd receiver) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD and if they can receive the signal they're allowed to take their equipment with them to the US, Mexico, Alaska, in their motor home whatever. The only truth being stretched is that some of us who rent Canadian addresses don't spend any time there. Never the less, I have a Canadian address and it's a real address with my name on it. You don't need to be a Canadian citizen to subscribe to Shaw.

David wrote:[quote Well sort of but CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, PBS, CBC and CTV do not market in Mexico. The ones that do market here sell a different product, e.g. ESPN LatAm. And no one is being defrauded, we all pay full price. Canadiana are allowed to have a 2nd home (and 2nd receiver) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD and if they can receive the signal they're allowed to take their equipment with them to the US, Mexico, Alaska, in their motor home whatever. The only truth being stretched is that some of us who rent Canadian addresses don't spend any time there. Never the less, I have a Canadian address and it's a real address with my name on it. .

You don't need to be a Canadian citizen to subscribe to Shaw

OK,OK. I don´t mind becoming a Canadian citizen. Now, if I have to live in Canada to do that; that is another matter.

Actually, my favorite spot on earth would be an estate in the Kenyan Highlands overlooking a crystal clear Aegean Sea with sugar. white sands surrounded by olive groves, fine vineyards, coffee and banana plantations, sandy loam flat farmlands perfect for growing asparagus, fantastically sweet and fat, ripe heirloom tomatoes, fields of artichokes and citrus groves including limes and lemons and oranges and all sorts of delicious fruits and fields of herbs and spices as far as the eye could see but then no such place exists now does it?

Yup, they're #1 in my book.

Well sort of but CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, PBS, CBC and CTV do not market in Mexico. The ones that do market here sell a different product, e.g. ESPN LatAm. And no one is being defrauded, we all pay full price. Canadiana are allowed to have a 2nd home (and 2nd receiver) ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD and if they can receive the signal they're allowed to take their equipment with them to the US, Mexico, Alaska, in their motor home whatever. The only truth being stretched is that some of us who rent Canadian addresses don't spend any time there. Never the less, I have a Canadian address and it's a real address with my name on it. You don't need to be a Canadian citizen to subscribe to Shaw.[/quote]

Shaw's terms of service state that all receivers must be located at the address listed on the account. They do sell a seperate system for motor homes.

Not any longer they don't. But they used to alow it and many of us were "grandfathered."

The bottom line on all of this is that if everyone lays low and don't "advertise" there won't likely ever be problems however once too many people start making a "big business" out of it they will find a way to track and eliminate.......or switch to a narrow beam transmission like Bell.