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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:10 pm

Pretty clear. Sounds earlier than 5th century to me.

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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:17 pm

[/quote] I can only judge by their holy book verses, how they treat women, how they view freedoms, etc.  I am not saying that all members of that faith adhere to those tenants. [/quote]

So, you actually know Muslims and have seen first-hand how they treat women and have heard their views on various things? Or are you simply drinking the cool aid?
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Post by RVGRINGO on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:34 pm

Hmmm. Doesn‘t the 5th century predate Islam?

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Post by gringal on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:43 pm

Just pondering "how they treat women". There's a lot of abused women in every country, including the U.S.A. Their stories are sometimes appalling.



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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:48 pm

RVGRINGO wrote:Hmmm. Doesn‘t the 5th century predate Islam?

Only by a couple hundred years.
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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:33 pm

Islam came 700 years after Christianity, check what the Christians were up to 700 years ago ..





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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:52 pm

I know many happy Moslem women and I also know some that are unhappy not unlike any of our marriages nut we have a way out and the women there do not especially with their children as childrens are the property of the father. I used to be very friendly with my bosses wife and although she was Jewish her life was not that different from her Moslem counterparts. She was married off to a distant cousin when she was 17. She wanted to graduate in Arabic literature and it was not her idea to get married . Her mother told her you can continue studying after you are married of course that did not happen. She was from a wealthy family and so was her husband and she seemed to have had a very happy marriage.
I also knew Moslems women who had a similar life and were happily married , some others were not. One of the women I knew from Afghanistan had been married as a third wife when she was 12 years old and she never spoke of her husband, her kids were everything. Another of the same group was happily married but was scared her husband would take a second wife while she was away although he had to have her permission to get married to another woman, another yet who was 25 was very scared of getting married to the man she was engaged to but had never met because he was an orphan and she would have to live with him alone and would not have the support of other women. She came from a southern tribe in Afghanistan and had 3 mothers and a very large extended family.
There is a very large amount of sects and different versions of Islam, the blacks from Mali or Burkina Fasso are much more relaxed about it and there are lots of mix christian and Moslem families something you do not see in North Africa so I think it is difficult to generalized about the fate of women under Islam. Let´s face it if I had to chose I would be a Moslem from Burkina Fasso rather than from the Emirates or Somalia..and if I really had a choice I would not be a Moslem.

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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:55 pm

I had a choice and chose to follow the teaching of The Buddha and Lao Tse. I find them to be more valuable and useful in my life than anything the major religions have to offer.
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Post by artesialulu on Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:25 pm

David wrote:
RVGRINGO wrote:Hmmm. Doesn‘t the 5th century predate Islam?

Only by a couple hundred years.

"Muhammad is known as rasul Allah, or God's Messenger to the Arabs, and to all of humanity. He was born in Mecca ca. 570 C.E., and died in Medina in 632."
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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:31 pm

That's the 7th century not the 5th. Try to keep up. I mean put forth some effort. Can't you even use google? Damn!
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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:43 pm

632 is the 7th century....

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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:54 pm

Si, pero Stevie said, "the Muslims were stuck in the 5th century!"  I don't think so!  They didn't even exist then. But hey, he's only off by a couple hundred years and who's counting? Sheesh! I wonder if he even knows what century we're in now? I wonder if he knows when the Holy Roman Catholic Church gave him his Bible that he uses only selectively?
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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:30 pm

Yes Islam did not exist in the 5th century so it would be hard to be stuck there.. I have a feeling that Islam was a lot more advanced then than it is now after all look at what happened to them in Spain.. They were stoped in France around 732 near TOurs, I believe so they did not waste anytime but they were pushed back to Spain. In Bordeaux, in the Sauternes area you can still see the arab influence in some of the old buildings. I think Islam had a great civilization before they went down so they are hardly stuck in the past but the civilization is sure on the decline and war is not helping. It is such a shame.

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Post by David on Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:36 pm

Agreed. I visited Toledo, Spain some years ago and saw their influence there. It was a thriving civilization many years ago but they lost their way.
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Post by brigitte on Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:14 pm

They sure did but I think it happens to all civilizations they go up and the crash eventually, nothing is forever.

There was an incredible library in Toledo that was destroyed by the Spaniards , I believe there was also an great library in Timbuktu at one time, what a shame that all these destructions happen.

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Post by RVGRINGO on Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:19 am

We can thank the Islamic world for saving math, science, poetry and literature from total loss during the Dark Ages of Europe. They enabled the Renaisance.

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Post by David on Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:36 am

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Post by CanuckBob on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:21 pm

Geeeesh.........I'm still trying to figure out what a "Terriost Attack" is. Google wasn't any help......jaja.
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Post by artesialulu on Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:56 pm

brigitte wrote:632 is the 7th century....

Then why was 1950 in the 20th century?  Note that we are in the 21st century now.  (It is 2015)
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Post by gringal on Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:09 pm

CanuckBob wrote:Geeeesh.........I'm still trying to figure out what a "Terriost Attack" is. Google wasn't any help......jaja.

A Terriost Attack happens when a person who can't spell or won't proofread is also too dam lazy to use Spellcheck.
Those folks are DANGEROUS. Suspect

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Post by diamondtuffy on Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:11 pm

Bob? - really? - thought you were a bigger man.

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Post by David on Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:27 pm

artesialulu wrote:
brigitte wrote:632 is the 7th century....

Then why was 1950 in the 20th century?  Note that we are in the 21st century now.  (It is 2015)

Sorry, you don't get any more answers to questions you can get answered by Google.
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Post by brigitte on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:02 pm

In France we have a name for people asking questions like that , it is Jawad...maybe a great new handle for artesialulu

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Post by artesialulu on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:03 pm

David wrote:
artesialulu wrote:
brigitte wrote:632 is the 7th century....

Then why was 1950 in the 20th century?  Note that we are in the 21st century now.  (It is 2015)

Sorry, you don't get any more answers to questions you can get answered by Google.

OK. I will just sit and sniffle.
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Post by ltollefs on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:35 pm

artesialulu wrote:
David wrote:
artesialulu wrote:
brigitte wrote:632 is the 7th century....

Then why was 1950 in the 20th century?  Note that we are in the 21st century now.  (It is 2015)

Sorry, you don't get any more answers to questions you can get answered by Google.

OK.  I will just sit and sniffle.

As I never completed high school, I used to worry about being the dumbest person in any room I entered. Have you ever felt that way?
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Post by viajero on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:57 pm

ltollefs wrote:


As I never completed high school, I  used to worry about being the dumbest person in any room I entered. Have you ever felt that way?
Not when I read some of the posts on these forums.

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