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you and i seem to have more efficient reading glasses than alexCheenaGringo wrote:I know that I utilize a different language than a certain Canadian but my interpretation of the Borderland Beat article seems to be somewhat different??
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Pedro,too bad you can't follow the dialogue in Mireles' videos,if you could you might realize how full of shit and himself he is.
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he does get carried away with himself on occasion. i am not disputing that. but i also realize it takes a certain type of personality to do what he does including putting his life on the line.
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"you and i seem to have more efficient reading glasses than alex"
While that may be questionable - it was reading comprehension that I was referring to and contrary to your assumption, I took a different understanding away from the articles than your stated position!
While that may be questionable - it was reading comprehension that I was referring to and contrary to your assumption, I took a different understanding away from the articles than your stated position!
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Here's another good example of how Borderland Beat spreads pro-Mireles propaganda through mind control. (Of course, it works best with the weak-minded.)
According to Pedro, "i also realize it takes a certain type of personality to do what he does including putting his life on the line."
Headline in today's Borderland Beat: Mireles:"I Will Die Fighting"
According to Pedro, "i also realize it takes a certain type of personality to do what he does including putting his life on the line."
Headline in today's Borderland Beat: Mireles:"I Will Die Fighting"
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Pedro wrote:he does get carried away with himself on occasion.
That was a Dennis Hopper line in Apocalypse Now, in referring to the heads lying on the ground. The "he" in Hopper's line was Kurtz. How appropriate.
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CheenaGringo wrote:"you and i seem to have more efficient reading glasses than alex"
While that may be questionable - it was reading comprehension that I was referring to and contrary to your assumption, I took a different understanding away from the articles than your stated position!
in that case it would serve you to make your posts more clear. i know this may be difficult for someone who ends a lot of their posts with a "?".
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i have made myself quite clear in these matters in which you are a johnny come lately and have chosen to disparage DOCTOR mireles who is the founder of the autodensas and knew from the get go that he would face danger from various sources.Smartalex wrote:Here's another good example of how Borderland Beat spreads pro-Mireles propaganda through mind control. (Of course, it works best with the weak-minded.)
According to Pedro, "i also realize it takes a certain type of personality to do what he does including putting his life on the line."
Headline in today's Borderland Beat: Mireles:"I Will Die Fighting"
i put it to you that your one track- speaks to weakminedness and silly editorializing about a very complex subject and state of affairs that you have attempted to simplify for yourself by making what seems to be a good guy into a bad guy. gee,notsosmartalex, i forgot that at one point you were writing the same shit about papa smurf but all of a sudden he's white as the driven snow and your fairhaired hero. i'll give you this-he does have a lot of hair. so let's have a quote from shakespear's julius caesar re: mireles and smurf or do you only watch old movies.
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"If you must break the law,do it to seize power;in all other cases observe it".
"Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".
"Men easily believe what they wish".
Those are just a few I remember,I'm sure that if I googled I could find some more.....jaja
"Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".
"Men easily believe what they wish".
Those are just a few I remember,I'm sure that if I googled I could find some more.....jaja
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The character of this Mireles character...
"La Niña", novia de Mireles, es menor de edad
http://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional/2014/05/11/la-nina-novia-de-mireles-es-menor-de-edad
Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sdpnoticias.com%2Fnacional%2F2014%2F05%2F11%2Fla-nina-novia-de-mireles-es-menor-de-edad
"La Niña", novia de Mireles, es menor de edad
http://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional/2014/05/11/la-nina-novia-de-mireles-es-menor-de-edad
Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sdpnoticias.com%2Fnacional%2F2014%2F05%2F11%2Fla-nina-novia-de-mireles-es-menor-de-edad
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"in that case it would serve you to make your posts more clear. i know this may be difficult for someone who ends a lot of their posts with a "?"."
Here we go again with someone who cannot even be bothered to use Caps telling me how I should construct my posts. My use of the "?" mark is pretty darned self explanatory for someone who actually understands the English language. It indicates that either I don't know the answer or I am looking for input from other posters. Unlike some, I am not inclined to claim I know everything and that my way of thinking is always correct. Knowledge is a constantly evolving process but I guess when one is always correct, then the evolution becomes stagnant. From there, dementia takes over and "La-La land" becomes a way of life.
Here we go again with someone who cannot even be bothered to use Caps telling me how I should construct my posts. My use of the "?" mark is pretty darned self explanatory for someone who actually understands the English language. It indicates that either I don't know the answer or I am looking for input from other posters. Unlike some, I am not inclined to claim I know everything and that my way of thinking is always correct. Knowledge is a constantly evolving process but I guess when one is always correct, then the evolution becomes stagnant. From there, dementia takes over and "La-La land" becomes a way of life.
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This Mireles character took his Smokescreen Tour to the airwaves today. In a radio interview, he once again gave his detailed explanation of that photo of him holding the head of one of the five people killed at the roadblock in Chuquiapan. The trouble for him is that the second photo surfaced today. Scroll down the page on this linked article and you'll see the actual photo that Mr. Castillo described as "Mireles holding the head like a trophy." This is the photo that Borderland Beat does not want you to see, since they chose not to publish it.
So take a look at the photo and tell me this: If, as Mr. Mireles claims, the forensics examiner needed help holding up the dead guy's head for an investigative photograph, why didn't he just ask the other forensics examiner who is standing right next to Mr. Mireles? My guess is that this Mireles character just can't resist a good photo op.
Of course, all of this is irrelevant to the actual criminal investigation. Mr. Mireles is not being investigated for holding up some dead guy's head for a photo op. He is being investigated for complicity in the murders of five young men. And, it should be noted, this is not even Castillo's case. Castillo is a federal commissioner. The investigation is being conducted by the state attorney general...and he sayin' nuthin' yet. From Sinembargo...
http://www.sinembargo.mx/12-05-2014/989862
So take a look at the photo and tell me this: If, as Mr. Mireles claims, the forensics examiner needed help holding up the dead guy's head for an investigative photograph, why didn't he just ask the other forensics examiner who is standing right next to Mr. Mireles? My guess is that this Mireles character just can't resist a good photo op.
Of course, all of this is irrelevant to the actual criminal investigation. Mr. Mireles is not being investigated for holding up some dead guy's head for a photo op. He is being investigated for complicity in the murders of five young men. And, it should be noted, this is not even Castillo's case. Castillo is a federal commissioner. The investigation is being conducted by the state attorney general...and he sayin' nuthin' yet. From Sinembargo...
http://www.sinembargo.mx/12-05-2014/989862
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Smartalex wrote:This Mireles character took his Smokescreen Tour to the airwaves today. In a radio interview, he once again gave his detailed explanation of that photo of him holding the head of one of the five people killed at the roadblock in Chuquiapan. The trouble for him is that the second photo surfaced today. Scroll down the page on this linked article and you'll see the actual photo that Mr. Castillo described as "Mireles holding the head like a trophy." This is the photo that Borderland Beat does not want you to see, since they chose not to publish it.
So take a look at the photo and tell me this: If, as Mr. Mireles claims, the forensics examiner needed help holding up the dead guy's head for an investigative photograph, why didn't he just ask the other forensics examiner who is standing right next to Mr. Mireles? My guess is that this Mireles character just can't resist a good photo op.
Of course, all of this is irrelevant to the actual investigation. Mr. Mireles is not being investigated for holding up some dead guy's head for a photo op. He is being investigated for complicity in the murders of five young men. And, it should be noted, this is not even Castillo's case. Castillo is a federal commissioner. The investigation is being conducted by the state attorney general...and he sayin' nuthin' yet. From Sinembargo...
http://www.sinembargo.mx/12-05-2014/989862
WTF!!!! The pics are basically the same thing. What kind of bullshit are you spewing now? The only difference in the two shots is one is from the front and one from the side. And to claim that BB is afraid to post it is fucking laughable.
And if you knew anything about the law in this country you would have known that murder falls under fuero comun and not a federal statute.
And one other bone to pick. It was Castillo, I believe, that made the comment about him being investigated for possible involvement in murder and not for holding up a trophy head. Your lack of proper attribution here is pretty much plagiarism, a big no-no for a journalist, isn't it? Especially an award winning journalist.
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Oh, and one more thing, that dead dude sure the hell doesn't look like a "kid" or "poor farm boy" to me.
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who is mister mireles? i and thousands of others know of a doctor mireles. your link does not back up any of your mickey mouse bull shit in any event. in light of your continual crap spouting i would think that you aren't bright enough to even have been employed by the national enquirer.
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more bullshit from you? you have told us many times that you have "friends" in santa clara del cobre and other troubled areas in michoacan so tell us from your " intimate experience" what's going on or shut your piehole.CheenaGringo wrote:"in that case it would serve you to make your posts more clear. i know this may be difficult for someone who ends a lot of their posts with a "?"."
Here we go again with someone who cannot even be bothered to use Caps telling me how I should construct my posts. My use of the "?" mark is pretty darned self explanatory for someone who actually understands the English language. It indicates that either I don't know the answer or I am looking for input from other posters. Unlike some, I am not inclined to claim I know everything and that my way of thinking is always correct. Knowledge is a constantly evolving process but I guess when one is always correct, then the evolution becomes stagnant. From there, dementia takes over and "La-La land" becomes a way of life.
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The way I read Alex's post it would appear that he does know that that murder is not a federal offense.Jeff Raybourne wrote:
And if you knew anything about the law in this country you would have known that murder falls under fuero comun and not a federal statute.
Did you watch the video of mireles on the last page trying to explain why he was divorcing his wife of 27years,what a joke,what a weasel..
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Jeff Raybourne wrote:Oh, and one more thing, that dead dude sure the hell doesn't look like a "kid" or "poor farm boy" to me.
Thankfully...no one has published pics of the dead 13-year-old.
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what the ef has that got anything to do with the major matters at hand you small minded dork? find out more who his wife is related to and where her ties are at, dunderhead. i see you're a mutual wanker with alex. will you buy his self published book? and it's a wishy washy alleged murderviajero wrote:The way I read Alex's post it would appear that he does know that that murder is not a federal offense.Jeff Raybourne wrote:
And if you knew anything about the law in this country you would have known that murder falls under fuero comun and not a federal statute.
Did you watch the video of mireles explaining why he was divorcing his wife of 27years,what a weasel!
you apparently don't know what alleged means
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Smartalex wrote:Jeff Raybourne wrote:Oh, and one more thing, that dead dude sure the hell doesn't look like a "kid" or "poor farm boy" to me.
Thankfully...no one has published pics of the dead 13-year-old.
Really? You'd shit your pants with glee if Mireles was photographed with a dead 13 year old.
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no doubt you borrowed some money to go there and see for yourself as a bonafide eye witness-SNORK!Smartalex wrote:Jeff Raybourne wrote:Oh, and one more thing, that dead dude sure the hell doesn't look like a "kid" or "poor farm boy" to me.
Thankfully...no one has published pics of the dead 13-year-old.
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viajero wrote:The way I read Alex's post it would appear that he does know that that murder is not a federal offense.Jeff Raybourne wrote:
And if you knew anything about the law in this country you would have known that murder falls under fuero comun and not a federal statute.
Did you watch the video of mireles on the last page trying to explain why he was divorcing his wife of 27years,what a joke,what a weasel..
No and I don't watch telenovelas either.
And you read Alex wrong. The whole last part of that particular post was plagiarized. IOW, not his words.
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Pedro,it speaks to his character,he's full of shit.
After 27years he finally realizes that his wife is a templario at heart,give me a break..
And how convenient to come to that realization just when he starts diddling a 17 year old..
After 27years he finally realizes that his wife is a templario at heart,give me a break..
And how convenient to come to that realization just when he starts diddling a 17 year old..
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so what. it hardly speaks to his character unless you're an alex disciple. templarios have not been around for 27 years. how do you know she's not wanking a 17 year old as well-SNORK! wank! wank!viajero wrote:Pedro,it speaks to his character,he's full of shit.
After 27years he finally realizes that his wife is a templario at heart,give me a break..
And how convenient to come to that realization just when he starts diddling a 17 year old..
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Jeff Raybourne wrote:viajero wrote:The way I read Alex's post it would appear that he does know that that murder is not a federal offense.Jeff Raybourne wrote:
And if you knew anything about the law in this country you would have known that murder falls under fuero comun and not a federal statute.
Did you watch the video of mireles on the last page trying to explain why he was divorcing his wife of 27years,what a joke,what a weasel..
No and I don't watch telenovelas either.
And you read Alex wrong. The whole last part of that particular post was plagiarized. IOW, not his words.
This is so funny. I know where you read that before. You let me know when you figure it out.
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jaja! jeffy,now that you mention plagiarizing-i wonder where the smart one lifted this one from. what award did you get from "sports writing"-SNORK!Smartalex wrote:Well, if we're going to discuss the past, I might as well drag this out of the Alexander archives. I'm sure some people will find this quite informative.
A Brief History of Mexico
Part Five: The Rise and Fall of the PRI
By Steven Alexander
After 50 years of self-destructive civil war, 30 years of brutal dictatorial rule and 20 years of bloody revolution…Mexico needed a break. That break came in 1929, when the National Revolutionary Party (PNR) took control of the federal government, finally bringing the revolution to an end. Much like the Democratic Party in America, the PNR was a “big tent” that included all the various and diverse racial, social and economic groups of Mexico. They agreed to fight for their special interests within the party and not in the streets or on the battlefield. The PNR later changed its name to the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) and ruled Mexico for a total of 71 consecutive years. Every six years, a new presidential successor would be chosen by the party leadership and then confirmed by the rubber stamp of a public election. With overwhelming popular support and only token dissent, the PRI created what has often been characterized as “the perfect dictatorship.”
In 1934, Lazaro Cardenas became president of Mexico. At the time, Cardenas was a 39-year-old veteran of the revolution and former governor of Michoacan. He had gained the trust and respect of the Mexican people due his reputation as an honest politician. Under his guidance, Mexico instituted a series of socialist reforms that truly changed the country. The large ranchos were broken up and the land was redistributed to the “campesinos” (peasant farmers) for use as “ejidos” (communal farms). A public education system was built to benefit the children of all classes. The railroads, telephones and utilities were nationalized. The holdings of the powerful American and British oil interests were confiscated and turned over to Pemex (Petroleos Mexicanos), the government-owned monopoly that still controls oil production and distribution in Mexico. Freedom of expression, religion and the press were not only guaranteed by the constitution but encouraged by Cardenas during his six years in office.
Over time, the PRI became increasingly separated from the goals of the revolution and the example of honest government set by Cardenas. The party built a political machine that ran Mexico like the Democrats ran Chicago. “La mordida” (the bite) became a way of life. Cops, judges, municipal officials, union leaders, legislators and presidents all took a bite of the apple in the form of bribes, kickbacks and payoffs. Embezzlement, extortion and fraud within the various governmental entities were commonplace. Proceeds from drug trafficking not only fattened the wallets of the PRI pols but helped spur the economy as a whole. The entire country was on the take. Mexicans didn’t necessarily make a value judgment when it came to all of this graft and corruption. Right or wrong, that’s the way it was. It was how “el sistema” (the system) worked. It took a series of tragic events over a long period of time in order to shock the Mexican people out of their complacency.
The first shock came in 1968. In that year, the international student movement was at its peak. There were student demonstrations throughout Europe, the U.S. and Latin America. In Mexico City, massive demonstrations broke out just days prior to the opening ceremonies of the Summer Olympics, which were being hosted in the Mexican capital. The whole world was watching as Mexican army troops and federal police opened fire on a crowd of students gathered at a public plaza in the Tlateloco section of Mexico City to protest against police brutality and repression of dissent. Officially, the government claimed 40 students were killed. The demonstrators claimed thousands were dead. Subsequent investigations place the death toll at around 400. The Mexican people never forgave the government for killing their children.
Then there was the earthquake of 1985. A giant 8.1 tremblor struck off the Pacific Coast of Mexico but did most of its damage in Mexico City, which was largely built on unstable landfill in Lake Texcoco. An estimated 10,000 people died and sections of the city were flattened. Although no one could hold the government to blame for the earthquake, they found plenty to blame in the mismanagement of the relief effort that followed. Relief aid was doled out according to your standing within the PRI. The higher your position in the party, the more aid you received. People who did not belong to the party got no aid at all.
And then there was the shock of Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Salinas was elected president in 1988 in a disputed election. The new computer system that was installed to count the voting quickly and accurately mysteriously “crashed” on the night of the election. Years later, Miguel de la Madrid, Salinas’ predecessor as president, admitted that election officials shut down the computer and declared Salinas the winner when early returns indicated he would lose.
Government corruption reached a peak during Salinas’ six years in office. His brothers quickly became very wealthy, with foreign bank accounts stuffed with hundreds of millions of dollars from unexplained sources. One brother, Raul, had his $110-million Swiss account frozen. Most of the money was later returned to the Mexican government once they were able to satisfy Swiss authorities that the money was misappropriated from public coffers. Raul also spent 10 years in a Mexican prison after being convicted of ordering the murder of Jose Ruiz Massieu, then head of the PRI and Salinas’ former brother-in-law. Another brother, Enrique, was found dead in Mexico City. His cause of death was asphyxiation by a plastic bag taped firmly over his head. At the time of Enrique Salinas’ death, he was under investigation by French authorities for money laundering. Raul has since been released from jail, pending his appeal. Investigation continues by Mexican, U.S., French and Swiss authorities into the financial dealings of the three Salinas brothers and the numerous allegations of their involvement in drug trafficking.
Salinas was a big booster of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). According to Salinas, in order to comply with the terms of NAFTA, the ejido lands that were used for communal farming needed to be privatized. The constitutional provisions that guaranteed communal use of these ancestral farmlands were amended and ownership was divvied up among those with hereditary claims to the lands. Once NAFTA went into effect, the campesinos found that they could not compete with large-scale agribusiness and the introduction into Mexico of cheap American corn. Much of the ejido lands were sold to agribusiness corporations and the farmers migrated to the cities or to the U.S. The populations of Mexican cities mushroomed and what was once a steady trickle of illegal immigration into America became a flood.
On Januray 1, 1994, the day that NAFTA went into effect, the Zapatista Army of National Liberation (EZLN) arose in armed resistance to the federal government of Mexico. With the overwhelming support of the local native population, the Zapatistas actually took control of San Cristobal de las Casas and several small villages in Chiapas. They overran a small military post, chased out the government officials and set up their own civil administration. The Zapatista ideology was a mixture of Marxism and Nativism. Their heroes were Che Guevara, Emiliano Zapata and Maria Sabina. They demanded autonomy from the federal government and the right to preserve their ancestral way of life, including communal farming.
The immediate reaction of the Salinas regime was massive armed retaliation against the 3,000-man (and woman) Zapatista army. But the wholesale slaughter of indigenous people who were struggling for their land rights was unacceptable to the vast majority of Mexicans and yet another example of how far the PRI had strayed from the goals and aspirations of the revolution. Bowing to public pressure, the government agreed to a ceasefire after 12 days of intense blood-letting. The Mexican army retook the city of San Cristobal but allowed the Zapatistas some measure of autonomy over a small area in Chiapas. The shaky truce has held for most of the past 15 years. The Zapatistas now use the media and the Internet in a nonviolent effort to press for reforms that would give more autonomy to the native people of Mexico. The hooded Zapatista spokesman, Subcomandante Marcos, is considered a heroic figure by many Mexicans.
Perhaps the biggest shock of all was the assassination of Luis Donaldo Colosio in 1994. It was an election year and Colosio was chosen as the presidential candidate of the PRI. The 44-year-old Colosio was young and handsome, intelligent and well educated. He had a beautiful wife and two lovely children. Colosio claimed he would clean up the government, prosecute corrupt officials and make Mexico a decent place for people of all races, religions and classes to live and raise a family. The comparisons to John Kennedy were unavoidable. For one brief shining moment, the Mexican people actually had someone they could believe in. Then, on March 23, 1994, at a campaign rally in Tijuana, Colosio was shot in the head with a .38 caliber handgun at point blank range.
Who killed Colosio? Mario Aburto Martinez, a 23-year-old factory
worker with no motive, is serving a 45-year sentence as the official lone perpetrator of the crime. But few Mexicans accept the lone-gunman theory. The autopsy indicates there were two bullet wounds…coming from two different directions. A suspected second gunman was arrested by Tijuana police the day of the murder…and then released within 24 hours. Three members of Colosio’s private security detail were later arrested as conspirators in the crime…and released 10 months later without charges ever being filed. The Tijuana chief of police was assassinated shortly after announcing he would pursue his own investigation into the crime…one of more than 20 people connected to the assassination who have since been murdered. There are many more unanswered questions about who killed Colosio. If you ask Mexicans who did it, most will tell you it was “el sistema.”
In a close but relatively legitimate election, the PRI’s replacement candidate, Ernesto Zedillo Ponce de Leon, was elected president in 1994. An economist by trade, the 43-year-old Zedillo was certainly an intelligent and well-meaning man. But he took control over a government in turmoil and a country in crisis. Not only did he have to deal with an armed insurgency in Chiapas, the scandals involving the Salinas brothers and the fallout from the Colosio assassination but, within a month of taking office, the Mexican economy collapsed. The time had come to repay the excessive borrowing of the Salinas regime…and Mexico was broke. The peso took a nosedive, losing half its value. Zedillo arranged for a $50-billion bailout from the U.S. and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Although the economy recovered and the bailout was repaid ahead of schedule, the PRI had lost all credibility with the Mexican people. After 71 years of continuous one-party rule, the time had come for a change.
Next Month: Part Six: Democratization
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Steven Alexander is a former journalist and award-winning sports writer. He is retired and lives in Ajijic.
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