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Slainte,my favorite comment regarding the imminent revolution came from tob when a poster there gushed "we're living in historic times,imagine the murals!". 

viajero wrote:Slainte,my favorite comment regarding the imminent revolution came from tob when a poster there stated "we're living in historic times,imagine the murals!". 

Yeah, like instead of a Bobby Sands mural saying "you are now entering Free Derry" it would be a portrait of Mireles saying "you are now entering Free Ajijic".        (i.e., except for the French restaurants)

At the request of the defense, Mr. Mireles' court hearing has been postponed until Saturday. At the hearing, the defense will argue that Mireles was unarmed at the time he was arrested and therefore not in possession of illegal firearms; the prosecution will counter that Mireles is responsible for the illegal weapons found in the armored van registered in his name. At this stage of "the process," the judge may order Mireles held for an additional 40 days while the investigation continues...or the judge can turn him loose due to lack of evidence.

There have been scattered protests on Mr. Mireles behalf and his supporters have vowed to maintain their roadblock on highway 200 until he is released.

What is the meaning of the parenthesis around "the process"?

I must say that planting evidence on innocent people has been a tactic used by Mexican law enforcement forever. How many hippies were falsely accused after the police "found" pot in their belongings back in the old days? We're talking about experts here.

Kottke wrote:

I must say that planting evidence on innocent people has been a tactic used by Mexican law enforcement forever. How many hippies were falsely accused after the police "found" pot in their belongings back in the old days? We're talking about experts here.

That's true,it even happens in the US.
Do you think they planted the 80 kilos of pot on him when he was arrested back in 1988?

viajero wrote:

Kottke wrote:

I must say that planting evidence on innocent people has been a tactic used by Mexican law enforcement forever. How many hippies were falsely accused after the police "found" pot in their belongings back in the old days? We're talking about experts here.

That's true,it even happens in the US.
Do you think they planted the 80 kilos of pot on him when he was arrested back in 1988?

I have absolutely no idea about his arrest in 1988. But I doubt that there was even one percent of the politics involved in that arrest for pot than in the recent arrest for weapons.

check out borderland beat for breaking news on what's happening with "DOCTOR" not any "mister" mireles. human rights and diabetic specialists have even been denied access to him. since as a diabetic, he needs insulin and special diet,i would suggest that soon we will not here anymore about "DOCTOR" MIRELES.

by the way there have been more than "scattered" protests including in the usa and not just mexico.

Kottke wrote:

I have absolutely no idea about his arrest in 1988. But I doubt that there was even one percent of the politics involved in that arrest for pot than in the recent arrest for weapons.

I'm sure you're right,his first arrest was probably just a common drug trafficking arrest,just a criminal caught in the act,no politics involved.
This one most likely is political,maybe the open letter that he published to the president with the over the top disrespectful tone and the (tuteando) was a mistake,when I read it I thought he was asking for trouble.
Then again his entourage might have actually been carrying weapons they weren't authorized to carry.

Planting evidence is a tactic that is not only used by the police in Mexico, but also by civilians vs. civilians. I personally know of several occasions where "evidence" was planted by one individual in another's vehicle/property, and then a dime dropped. Usually as an act of revenge or greed.
Difficult to defend against.

Just read that Castillo claims there has been 3,800 arrests/detentions, still in custody, in the four months of the federal campaign in Michoacán. He also said they were going to build a new penal complex to house only kidnappers.
There can't be many autodefensas left to round up.    

Seventy-two of the Autodefensas who were arrested along with Mr. Mireles in La Mira have been ordered held for further investigation of possession of illegal weapons. From El Universal...

Dan formal prisión a 72 autodefensas de Michoacán

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2014/536364/6/dan-formal-prision-a-72-autodefensas-de-michoacan.htm

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informador.com.mx%2Fmexico%2F2014%2F536364%2F6%2Fdan-formal-prision-a-72-autodefensas-de-michoacan.htm

Let's take a look at the sideshow presented this week by Mr. Mireles' legal defense and political supporters. His attorney, Talia Vazquez, had her head shaved to express solidarity with the now skin-headed Mireles...and urged others to do the same. From El Universal...

Abogada de Mireles también se rapa

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/2014/abogada-mireles-rapada-1020926.html

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com.mx%2Festados%2F2014%2Fabogada-mireles-rapada-1020926.html

Meanwhile, in an amazing show of chutzpah, a group of 30 Mireles supporters went to the high-security prison where Mr. Mireles is currently housed and demanded to see the prisoner in order to give him a medical examination. Of course, they knew their demands would be refused by the prison authorities. There is a court order currently in effect which requires the prison authorities to treat Mr. Mireles diabetes. The court order does not allow for private intervention. It was just another publicity stunt staged for the benefit of the evening news. From Borderland Beat...

Human Rights Commission and Medical Professionals Barred from Seeing Dr Mireles

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/07/human-rights-group-and-medical.html

Smartalex wrote:Let's take a look at the sideshow presented this week by Mr. Mireles' legal defense and political supporters. His attorney, Talia Vazquez, had her head shaved to express solidarity with the now skin-headed Mireles...and urged others to do the same. From El Universal...

Abogada de Mireles también se rapa

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/2014/abogada-mireles-rapada-1020926.html

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com.mx%2Festados%2F2014%2Fabogada-mireles-rapada-1020926.html

Meanwhile, in an amazing show of chutzpah, a group of 30 Mireles supporters went to the high-security prison where Mr. Mireles is currently housed and demanded to see the prisoner in order to give him a medical examination. Of course, they knew their demands would be refused by the prison authorities. There is a court order currently in effect which requires the prison authorities to treat Mr. Mireles diabetes. The court order does not allow for private intervention. It was just another publicity stunt staged for the benefit of the evening news. From Borderland Beat...

Human Rights Commission and Medical Professionals Barred from Seeing Dr Mireles

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/07/human-rights-group-and-medical.html

According to the article, human rights observers were denied the right to visit the prisoner, a right that the article says they possess. I wonder if the people from the Sonora Human Rights Commission believed it was nothing but a publicity stunt? You seem very sure with your comments. Do you have sources other than the ones you cite that give you additional insight into these affairs or do you simply come to your conclusions based on the same information that all of us peruse?

Why did the authorities shave his head and moustache,is that standard procedure or just some ill advised petty form of humiliation on the part of the government?

Uh, this is a web forum, just a buncha people expressing opinions. Everyone has one and everyone is free to write it. "According to...", "based on...", "he said...", "she said...", "they reported..." blah, blah, woof woof.
This is not an investigation nor sworn testimony in court. No one needs evidence, proof or credentials to express opinions or their interpretation of what they read. The fate of Mr. Dr. Mireles is not being decided by the opinions of gringos on a web board. Relax.

viajero wrote:Why did the authorities shave his head and moustache,is that standard procedure or just some ill advised petty form of humiliation on the part of the government?

I think it's standard procedure intended to keep lice out of the prison. They do the same thing in the U.S. Mireles is probably getting the same treatment as any other prisoner...including the same measure of humiliation.

Lady Otter Latté wrote:Uh, this is a web forum, just a buncha people expressing opinions. Everyone has one and everyone is free to write it. "According to...", "based on...", "he said...", "she said...", "they reported..." blah, blah, woof woof.
This is not an investigation nor sworn testimony in court. No one needs evidence, proof or credentials to express opinions or their interpretation of what they read. The fate of Mr. Dr. Mireles is not being decided by the opinions of gringos on a web board. Relax.

I am very relaxed. I am only trying to figure out where the other poster is coming from. He is obviously free to post whatever he chooses. Do you always respond in this way when someone asks another poster a simple question?

Not always. Sorry if I misinterpreted your simple question as a passive aggressive challenge. You sounded uptight. But, that is just my interpretation of your question.

Smartalex wrote:

viajero wrote:Why did the authorities shave his head and moustache,is that standard procedure or just some ill advised petty form of humiliation on the part of the government?

I think it's standard procedure intended to keep lice out of the prison. They do the same thing in the U.S. Mireles is probably getting the same treatment as any other prisoner...including the same measure of humiliation.

Did they also shave the heads of the other vigilantes arrested along with Dr. Mireles? What were there, 70 or 80 others? Just asking in order to understand if the procedure done to Dr. Mireles is standard procedure or in this case, a psychological tactic meant at intimidation?

apparently it's only a tactic used on political prisoners and not the likes of some infamous narco leaders for example. i don't find kottke's queries as passive/aggressive in the least.

Ditto

and his lawyer did the same   http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/in-english/2014/lawyer-mireles-shaves-91012.html


Talia Vázquez, lawyer of Jose Manuel Mireles, shaved her head in Solidarity with the former Spokesman of self-defense forces of Michoacán, currently in prison in Sonora.

The lawyer shared her photo on Twitter and Demanded the release of her customer. In her message, Vazquez used the hashtags  "# LiberenaMireles", "# MerapocomoMireles" and "# TodossomosAutodefensas".

Yesterday Guillermo Valencia, former mayor of Tepalcatepec, shared a video of himself with a shaved head and people urged us to do the same and Their post photos on social networks.  
"I Decided to shave my head in Solidarity with his pain. I invite you to do the same and upload your photos and videos to social networks. Our hair will grow back, but Alfredo Castillo Cervantes (Security Commissioner of Michoacan) will never stop being treacherous and liar, "I said.  

The expressions of support came after Mireles was shown shaven and with no mustache at Hermosillo's prison.

So this load of crap about Mr. Mireles being denied access to the Human Rights Commission and having medical care withheld turns out to be just that...a load of crap. We'll let his attorney, Talia Vazquez, set the record straight. From El Universal...

Mireles está bien de salud, asegura su abogada

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/2014/mireles-esta-bien-de-salud-asegura-su-abogada-1021357.html

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com.mx%2Festados%2F2014%2Fmireles-esta-bien-de-salud-asegura-su-abogada-1021357.html

The sideshow continues. From Jornada...

Se rapan en Guadalajara cinco personas en solidaridad con Mireles

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2014/07/03/se-rapan-en-guadalajara-cinco-personas-en-solidaridad-con-mireles-540.html

it's funny how one person reads these links and interprets them diferently from someone else.i see no CRAP for example. and i have never seen DOCTOR mireles referred to as mister-ever. seems like the human rights commission had access to him only after a big stink was raised.

I'm getting that way (pelon) naturally. Maybe from following this thread and developing some sort of psychosomatic bias. 

A judge has ruled that Mr. Mireles, along with the three bodyguards arrested with him, will remain locked up while the legal process against them for possession of illegal firearms continues. That process can take anywhere from one to three years. From Sinembargo...

Juez dicta auto de formal prisión a José Manuel Mireles; está recluido en penal federal de Sonora

http://www.sinembargo.mx/06-07-2014/1048836

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinembargo.mx%2F06-07-2014%2F1048836