Templarios

Jeff Raybourne wrote:“Ayer traían eso de desarmarnos… cualquier intento de desarme el pueblo sale y se arma con lo que sea, como allá en Ostula, allá nos desarmaron y todo el pueblo se armó con piedras y palos para que nos regresaran las armas”; comentaba un comunitario en caleta de Ocampo el día 31 de marzo, cuando la SEMAR intentó el desarme por segunda vez en el mismo día en la barricada en esa playa: ”querían que nos formáramos y que les entregáramos las armas (a la SEMAR)” “Ellos (militares) lo que hacen es estorbarnos, no nos dejan avanzar nos estorban, nos estorban”, señala el plátano, quien es oriundo de Caleta de Ocampo y coordinador de los comunitarios en el municipio de Lázaro Cárdenas Michoacán.

En el municipio de Peribán dos de sus barricadas fueron atacadas a balazos a finales del mes de marzo de año en curso, por un grupo de paramilitares en la cabecera municipal. Días después, el 11 de abril, efectivos de la SEMAR llegaron a la barricada ocupada por comunitarios de la comunidad de Huahua, en la costa michoacana, confiscando las armas a base de intimidación, pero en su retirada fueron retenidos en la barricada ubicada en la localidad de Caleta de Campo, en donde a principios de abril fueron también con las misma misión pero la organización del pueblo sometió a los efectivos de la marina armada de México y se vieron obligados a devolver las armas a los comunitarios. Los miembros de las policías comunitarias, autodefensas y diversas brigadas de la costa michoacana, hacen un llamado a toda la sociedad solidaria, para hacer un llamado para que el estado mexicano no confisque sus armas en las distintas barricadas.

http://www.proyectoambulante.org/index.php/noticias/nacionales/item/4101-resistencia-de-los-pueblos-nahua-en-la-costa-michoacana-no-al-desarme-de-los-comunitarios

  

arieaabrahamssohn ‏@aabrahamssohn  13h
La Tercera Hermandad, nuevo cártel de Tuta y autodefensas en la Ciénaga de Chapala (Michoacán): Jiqiulpan, Sahuayo

this is from 2014-01-13...this article doesn't mention that schools and stores were closed for two weeks:
http://diario.mx/Nacional/2014-01-13_66a19b84/comunitarios-y-pf-federales-toman-coahuayana-michoacan/

http://noticias.mexico.lainformacion.com/michoacan-de-ocampo/coahuayana/L_aRJxQzrYtDMRKj4W37euH2/

From Milenio:

El Niño, a victim of the disagreements between the various self-defense
The 13 year old is one of five people killed at a roadblock set up near Lazaro Cardenas.

Spanish:
http://www.milenio.com/policia/templarios-autodefensas-Michoacan_0_293970613.html

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milenio.com%2Fpolicia%2Ftemplarios-autodefensas-Michoacan_0_293970613.html

Here are some alleged interviews with survivors of the attack on the checkpoint in Chuquiapan. They all claim that Papa Pitufo (Estanislao Beltran) is working with the Templarios. Be advised, this video came from Tejemedios, the same source as the original version of the El Platano article as well as the interview with El Platano posted earlier. My own bullshit meter was running in the red zone all the way through viewing this. A little help with the translation?

I don't think Alex needs a translator but I'll bite. Some of the things they said: They all say they were working at the reten and they were all Templarios. Recruited by Sra. Marti of playa Azul ,working under Papa Pitufo direct orders from el Quinentos ( chavello , el Padrino, also mentioned) . There were 25-30 or more armed persons at the reten that day, Templarios fired first and the communitarios defended themselves . They listed several small towns that they were recruited from . They agreed to work for the Templarios because of economic need and their lives and the lives of their families were threatened. Communitarios are now defending and/or supporting them .
The main message was " Papa Pitufo is a big old narco" and "the Communitarios wuz just defending themselves" .

Smartalex wrote:Here's the face of "El Platano." I can't make out much of what he's saying. Any help out there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFa0pOFeSSA

Briefly;He claims to be a popular guy,his movement is popular with the locals,they're giving 10 by 20 lots from land they've confiscated out to to poor people ,the marines were looking for his brother,maybe that's why he doesn't like them?,he says they're coordinating with the PFP and they're not giving up their arms and could use more of them and it sounds to me like he enjoys his fame and might run for mayor someday,the subject doesn't interest me enough to do a word for word translation but I think that's the gist of it.
Jeff's reply to my question about the autodefensas earlier in the thread is on the money and really all most non-participants would need know,IMO.

Jesus Reyna, the former Michoacan secretary of state and temporary governor, was formally arrested and transferred to the Altiplano maximum security prison yesterday. Chances are, he'll be residing there for a while.

From Insight Crime...

Ex-Michoacan Governor Case Spotlights Knights Templar Political Network

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/ex-michoacan-governor-case-spotlights-knights-templar-political-network

From Informador...

Reyna sí se reunió con la 'Tuta': SEIDO

http://www.informador.com.mx/mexico/2014/526860/6/reyna-si-se-reunio-con-la-tuta-seido.htm

Got some real good stuff tonight. First, here's some background info from Insight Crime. We'll call it a "setup" piece.

Michoacan’s ‘New Cartel’ Bolsters Vigilante Criminalization Fears

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/michoacans-new-cartel-bolsters-mexico-vigilante-criminalization-fears

And here's a follow-up from today's Excelsior. The article is identified as a "redaccion" (draft) and isn't very clearly written. But take a look who's the poster boy for the criminalization of the Autodefensas...our own El Platano.

Mueven hilos; las cabezas del narco en Michoacán

http://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2014/05/07/957866

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.excelsior.com.mx%2Fnacional%2F2014%2F05%2F07%2F957866

And here's another account of the shootout at Chuquiapan...and its aftermath. From El Universal...

Autodefensas se acusan de narcos

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/primera-plana/2014/impreso/se-desata-fuego-amigo-entre-autodefensas-45281.html

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com.mx%2Fprimera-plana%2F2014%2Fimpreso%2Fse-desata-fuego-amigo-entre-autodefensas-45281.html

Here's a better translation of the El Universal article. From Borderland Beat...

www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/autodefensas-are-accusing-each-other-of.html

This Mireles character got pretty swell-headed...perhaps due to injuries suffered in a plane crash a few months ago. He has been removed as spokesman for the AUC and replaced by Papa Pitufo. Of course, Mireles denies that any of this is true. From Animal Politico...

Destituyen Autodefensas a José Manuel Mireles; él niega expulsión

http://www.animalpolitico.com/2014/05/grupos-de-autodefensa-destituyen-jose-manuel-mireles-como-su-vocero-tambien-queda-fuera-del-consejo-general/#axzz31CWHRkD2

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.animalpolitico.com%2F2014%2F05%2Fgrupos-de-autodefensa-destituyen-jose-manuel-mireles-como-su-vocero-tambien-queda-fuera-del-consejo-general%2F%23axzz31CWHRkD2

Papa Smurf? Really?

Here's Mireles' side of the story, told by the loving Chivis at Borderland Beat. Reminds me of the Firesign Theater routine, "Everything you know is wrong!"

Autodefensas Council Rupture- Papa Smurf vs Dr Mireles

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/autodefensas-council-rupture-papa-smurf.html

Lady Otter Latté wrote:Papa Smurf? Really?

Who would you prefer...El Banana?

Man, that is a tough call.   

Commissioner Alfredo Castillo says Mr. Mireles' role in the murders of five people at the checkpoint in Chuquiapan is part of the ongoing investigation. Well, that may be a stretch. I'm just pleased to know that there is an ongoing investigation. From Milenio...

Investigan a Mireles por asesinato: Castillo

http://www.milenio.com/policia/Investigan-Mireles-asesinato-comisionado_Alfredo_Castillo-Alfredo_Castillo-autodefensas_en_Michoacan-Jose_Manuel_Mireles_0_295770771.html

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milenio.com%2Fpolicia%2FInvestigan-Mireles-asesinato-comisionado_Alfredo_Castillo-Alfredo_Castillo-autodefensas_en_Michoacan-Jose_Manuel_Mireles_0_295770771.html

Here's an update: Over 100 "seudoautodefensas" were rounded up in and around the city of Lazaro Cardenas last night. They have all been delivered to the offices of the state attorney general, where they will be properly "interviewed."

it's interesting that you keep calling "DOCTOR" mireles MISTER and referring to him as a CHARACTER in a derogatory sense. i put it to you that he has more character in his little finger than the total sum of your body parts. he has shown himself to be a selfless leader of people who is scaring the crap outta gummint. it appears by your tone that this kind of person either causes you angst or jealousy or both.

Pedro wrote:he has shown himself to be a selfless leader of people who is scaring the crap outta gummint.

LOL.

Well, let's discuss the character of this character named Mireles...and whether or not he is entitled to be called a "doctor."

For starters...he claims to have a medical school degree. I'd be willing to concede this point if you can verify that.

Then...there's his claim to having worked for the Michoacan department of health for 25 years. Good luck in verifying that since for at least 10 of those years he actually lived in California.

And then...he claims to have "worked for the Red Cross for ten years while living in California." People from the Red Cross offices in Merced, California, say they do remember that he and his daughter did some volunteer work for them in translating the first-aid pamphlets they hand out from English to Spanish.

And then...while living in California he was arrested for practicing medicine without a license. I don't know how the case was finally adjudicated. Typically, these court records wind up being sealed. My guess is that he received a fine, did some community service (like translating pamphlets) and stipulated that he would never again use the title of "doctor."

Some character.

(Pedro...Let me know when you're ready to discuss Mireles' criminal record for trafficking drugs.)

CheenaGringo wrote:Once again - does anyone wonder just why pedro never posts a link to back up his position?

and you're suggesting the above tirade by notsosmartalex has links?SNORK!
yes alex show the link for proof of drug dealing and conviction by doctor mireles.
and if he wasn't a practicing physician in michoacan what was he engaged in?

(Here are some excerpts from the Excelsior news story published on January 17 of this year:)

Mireles, paramilitary leader, was imprisoned
for drug trafficking

Excelsior had access to the file where it states that the surgeon was arrested in 1988 for growing and selling marijuana, yet he became a senatorial candidate for the PRD

MEXICO CITY, Jan. 17 -. José Manuel Mireles Valverde, who rose to public fame almost eleven months ago as leader of a group of civilians in Michoacan Tepalcatepec that was put together to defend against kidnappings, extortion and killings by drug traffickers The Knights Templar cartel, 26 years ago was part of that world to combat today Mireles says, according to federal court documents.

On November 8, 1988 Mireles Valverde was arrested at the gates of his home in the Michoacan town of Tepalcatepec by members of the defunct Federal Judicial Police (PJF) in possession of 86 kilos of marijuana, packaged in ten sacks.

On these facts, Mireles was sentenced to seven years and three months and a fine of 50 thousand dollars could have paid for six days of work for the community. Although his time in prison was three years and eight months.

Former state police chief says that the arrival of José Manuel Mireles Valverde on the national scene since February last year has two readings: He is redeemed, because he withdrew from the criminal activities in which he participated in the past and is sorry; or he is doing the dirty work of the criminal group Los Farías, who are claimed by local authorities for years to be part of the Jalisco New Generation cartel.

Here's the link to the original Excelsior article.
http://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2014/01/17/938829

Google Translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.excelsior.com.mx%2Fnacional%2F2014%2F01%2F17%2F938829

Smartalex wrote:Well, let's discuss the character of this character named Mireles...and whether or not he is entitled to be called a "doctor."

For starters...he claims to have a medical school degree. I'd be willing to concede this point if you can verify that.

I would guess that the only way you could verify it would be go to Universidad Michoacana and physically check their records.  Needless to say, a number of published articles do say that he received a medical degree from Universidad Michoacana.

I am sure many other questions you have could be checked out if one wanted to spend the time - but you seem like your mind is made up - with all the attacks against him.  And interesting  - he is still in the news -

today  Dr. José Mireles Heads New Unarmed National Front for Justice and Human Rights  http://mexicovoices.blogspot.mx/2014/05/mexico-dr-jose-mireles-heads-new.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+MexicoVoicesWhereDemocracyAndTheDrugWarCollide+(Mexico+Voices:+Where+Democracy+and+the+Drug+War+Collide)

My only comment is that just because something is in the newspaper or a blog doesn't mean it is true.  I, for one, have no idea what the truth is - I think a pertinent question is - has the actions that he has inspired help to create a safer Michoacan - and my immediate reaction is - I think so - but only history will tell the story and hopefully it will be a true story someday.

Mad_Max wrote:

Smartalex wrote:Well, let's discuss the character of this character named Mireles...and whether or not he is entitled to be called a "doctor."

For starters...he claims to have a medical school degree. I'd be willing to concede this point if you can verify that.

I would guess that the only way you could verify it would be go to Universidad Michoacana and physically check their records.  Needless to say, a number of published articles do say that he received a medical degree from Universidad Michoacana.

I am sure many other questions you have could be checked out if one wanted to spend the time - but you seem like your mind is made up - with all the attacks against him.  And interesting  - he is still in the news -

today  Dr. José Mireles Heads New Unarmed National Front for Justice and Human Rights  http://mexicovoices.blogspot.mx/2014/05/mexico-dr-jose-mireles-heads-new.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+MexicoVoicesWhereDemocracyAndTheDrugWarCollide+(Mexico+Voices:+Where+Democracy+and+the+Drug+War+Collide)

My only comment is that just because something is in the newspaper or a blog doesn't mean it is true.  I, for one, have no idea what the truth is - I think a pertinent question is - has the actions that he has inspired help to create a safer Michoacan - and my immediate reaction is - I think so - but only history will tell the story and hopefully it will be a true story someday.

you nailed it mad_max!!!!!