Templarios

Smartalex wrote:

Jeff Raybourne wrote:Meanwhile the State cops just kicked back and let it happen?

See El Platano's comments in the above link. He claims to have a trusting relationship with the state police but admonishes everyone that the army can't be trusted.

You need to brush up on your español, amigo. He had a good relationship with the Policía Federal. The Estatales showed up with el Pitufo looking to detain him.

And he said the Marines, (not the Army), weren't to be trusted. Get back to Spanish class.

Jeff Raybourne wrote:

Smartalex wrote:

Jeff Raybourne wrote:Meanwhile the State cops just kicked back and let it happen?

See El Platano's comments in the above link. He claims to have a trusting relationship with the state police but admonishes everyone that the army can't be trusted.

You need to brush up on your español, amigo. He had a good relationship with the Policía Federal. The Estatales showed up with el Pitufo looking to detain him.

And he said the Marines, (not the Army), weren't to be trusted. Get back to Spanish class.

Thanks for the clarification. My point was that this guy is more trusting of the police than the military. What's he been smokin'...banana peels?

Smartalex wrote:

Jeff Raybourne wrote:

Smartalex wrote:

Jeff Raybourne wrote:Meanwhile the State cops just kicked back and let it happen?

See El Platano's comments in the above link. He claims to have a trusting relationship with the state police but admonishes everyone that the army can't be trusted.

You need to brush up on your español, amigo. He had a good relationship with the Policía Federal. The Estatales showed up with el Pitufo looking to detain him.

And he said the Marines, (not the Army), weren't to be trusted. Get back to Spanish class.

Thanks for the clarification. My point was that this guy is more trusting of the police than the military. What's he been smokin'...banana peels?

What you been smoking? The military has plenty of corrupt officers in its ranks. Can you say "General Gutiérrez Rebollo"?

Clarification?  Dude, you had too much screwed up for it to be a clarification. You better stick to English language reports because your Spanish comprehension is quite lacking. And forget about any audio/video reports.

BTW and you probably got lost in translation, but el Plátano's version of the events that day differ considerably from the report you previously cited. According to him the gun battle lasted 15 minutes and they were being shot at from the roadblock and the surrounding hills. He also claims that the State cops and el Pitufo removed much of the weapons from the scene.

Jeff Raybourne wrote:

And he said the Marines, (not the Army), weren't to be trusted. .

Aren't the Marines considered to be the most trustworthy and effective of all the Mexican forces?
BTW,my mistake calling him el banana,I got it from a previously translated post...

viajero wrote:

Jeff Raybourne wrote:

And he said the Marines, (not the Army), weren't to be trusted. .

Aren't the Marines considered to be the most trustworthy and effective of all the Mexican forces?

That is the general opinion. That comment surprised me a bit, too. But it may be a local thing. That area is still fairly remote and maybe the local marines there have been tempted. Out of sight, out of mind so to say.

They seem very professional and motivated and not at all afraid to take on the bad guys.

He " speculated" that Papa Pitufo and the state police took the guns but he didn't actually see them. I'm kinda feeling El Platano after reading that story. He sure sounds like a swell guy but those wicked children on the other hand...
I don't know what the truth to BS ratio is here but that was a very good read.

The article on El Platano is some kind of a p.r. piece written on his behalf and in response to the criticism he is receiving from within the Autodefensas. His most vocal critic is Estanislao Beltran, which may explain why El Banana accuses Beltran of working for the Templarios. There is an English version available on Borderland Beat. Here's the link. The commentaries are telling.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/coastal-communities-report-links.html

Ms.Thang wrote:He " speculated" that Papa Pitufo and the state police took the guns but he didn't actually see them. I'm kinda feeling El Platano after reading that story. He sure sounds like a swell guy but those wicked children on the other hand...
I don't know what the truth to BS ratio is here but that was a very good read.

He believes it was Beltran's people. As far as wicked children.....can you actually tell their ages from the photos? Or are you just speculating? But unless they were forced into manning the checkpoint, they certainly weren't innocent.

Smartalex wrote:The article on El Platano is some kind of a p.r. piece written on his behalf and in response to the criticism he is receiving from within the Autodefensas. His most vocal critic is Estanislao Beltran, which may explain why El Banana accuses Beltran of working for the Templarios. There is an English version available on Borderland Beat. Here's the link. The commentaries are telling.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/coastal-communities-report-links.html

Again, how do you know this? Your anonymous source? Who wrote the article? The comments following the article aren't worth the pixels they are printed on. Telling? Get real.

At the end of the day.... all yer naying and braying doesn't amount to a fart in a bathtub..... why give a shit?

Jeff Raybourne wrote:

Smartalex wrote:The article on El Platano is some kind of a p.r. piece written on his behalf and in response to the criticism he is receiving from within the Autodefensas. His most vocal critic is Estanislao Beltran, which may explain why El Banana accuses Beltran of working for the Templarios. There is an English version available on Borderland Beat. Here's the link. The commentaries are telling.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/coastal-communities-report-links.html

Again, how do you know this? Your anonymous source? Who wrote the article? The comments following the article aren't worth the pixels they are printed on. Telling? Get real.

There is some discussion of this in the comments section accompanying the article on Borderland Beat. What seemed obvious to me, seemed equally obvious to a number of other readers. However, if it would please you, you could call it an assumption on my part. I'm alright with that.

Good grief Raybourne , you are really tripping. Why do you have to be such a little bitch?

Incidentally, Jeff Raybourne, I think you may have solved one of your own points of skepticism in this discussion: Why did it take the Autodefensas 25 minutes to overrun an unarmed checkpoint? Well, thanks to your fine translation of the El Platano article, we now know that it only took 15 minutes. Once again, thanks for the clarification.

Ms.Thang wrote:Good grief Raybourne , you are really tripping. Why do you have to be such a little bitch?

I dunno. Probably the same reason you're a big bitch.

Smartalex wrote:Incidentally, Jeff Raybourne, I think you may have solved one of your own points of skepticism in this discussion: Why did it take the Autodefensas 25 minutes to overrun an unarmed checkpoint? Well, thanks to your fine translation of the El Platano article, we now know that it only took 15 minutes. Once again, thanks for the clarification.

No problem, journalist(?). Keep up your good work on misinforming.

we cannot disagree with someone called SMARTalex who was a journalist of great renown before he crossed the border.-SNORK!

Pedro,is that an autodefensa costume you're wearing in your avatar?

Sure is easy to criticize Smartalex when you are not the one putting forth the effort and expending the time! Given the sources he has to work with, I would like to commend him.

CheenaGringo wrote:Sure is easy to criticize Smartalex when you are not the one putting forth the effort and expending the time!  Given the sources he has to work with, I would like to commend him.  

his effort is considerably one sided and his opinion is too. other people on here reading this have already been misled by his ramblings and innacurate takes on incidents and personnel involve. for example ms thang calling the fake autodefensas "poor farm boys".
some of us have been following this mess longer than alex has and not just in the media. those that haven't on this board take his ramblings as gospel because he purports to be "smart". quantity does not quantify as quality nor accuracy. you have alleged contacts in sta clara del cobre and other towns in michoacan-what say them people-eh! or is that sort of thing not yer baileywhick[sic]?
i have many other things to do with my "time".

When a poster is completely off the mark on something why is bringing it to the board's attention such a bad thing? When translations of Spanish language articles have literally had the facts backwards. And when opinions based on completely inaccurate information are offered it really isn't doing anyone any favors.

What is wrong with simply pointing our possible errors or voicing a differing opinion versus badmouthing and making fun of someone?

CheenaGringo wrote:What is wrong with simply pointing our possible errors or voicing a differing opinion versus badmouthing and making fun of someone?

Holy shit!! You should talk.

Jeff Raybourne wrote:When a poster is completely off the mark on something why is bringing it to the board's attention such a bad thing? When translations of Spanish language articles have literally had the facts backwards. And when opinions based on completely inaccurate information are offered it really isn't doing anyone any favors.

So you feel comfortable taking El Platano's word for what happened at the checkpoint?  You are so obsessed with discrediting me that you failed to recognize just what a poorly written piece of biased and self-serving bullshit that article on El Platano truly was. In fact, you actually reinforced my points of contention.

For instance, you pointed out the discrepancies in the amount of time it took for the gun battle. The news article said 25 minutes. You raised this specific point in expressing your skepticism that those manning the checkpoint were unarmed. Well, according to El Platano, it only took 15 minutes. If we accept El Platano's time estimate, your argument falls apart.

For instance, you pointed out that I said El Platano distrusted the army, when he actually said he distrusted the marines. Thank you for the clarification. The marines are the single-most well-respected and well-trusted governmental organization involved in the struggle against organized crime. The fact that El Platano has expressed his distrust of this organization is a pretty good indication of just how loose a cannon he truly is.

In addition, you pointed out that Mr. Beltran arrived on the scene, intent upon arresting El Platano. Thanks for that little tidbit of information. I wonder what charges he had in mind.

In addition to that, you take El Platano's self-serving statements about the disposition of the supposed weapons held by the pseudoautodefensas at face value. You even went further and distorted his remarks, only to be corrected by Ms. Thing. We all know the drill: The criminals are arrested and their weapons, money and contraband are then displayed to the press and media. So far, I've seen two handguns, one of which was actually buried during the altercation.

You could actually be a lot of help in this discussion...rather than a distraction.

I just went back to page 10 and couldn't find a single instance where either of the critics provided a link that documented where Smartalex may have been wrong. I do know that at least one of them is fully capable of posting a link.