Templarios

Rosa Venus wrote:

slainte39 wrote:The Irish have opinions on everything, and the best ones are on subjects they know nothing about.

That is outstanding. And so useful. Simply delete "Irish" and insert at will. Thank you!   

yes. very useful. gracias slainte39

Thanks for the interesting links, Smartalex.

Por nada.

Now the governor's son is implicated for having ties to the Templarios. These reports have been circulating for some time. But now an audio recording and a foto have surfaced that give the story more credence.
From Borderland Beat...

Photo of Tuta and Michoacan Governor's Son Surfaces-Governor Leaves to U.S.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/photo-of-tuta-and-michoacan-governors.html

And from Grillonautas...

and now the governor has resigned............Guess that could be a plus or a minus - depends on his replacement http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/michoacan-governor-resigns.html

Here's an update on the resignation of Fausto Vallejo. From Excelsior...

Ahora sí se va Fausto Vallejo; deja gubernatura de Michoacán por salud

http://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2014/06/19/965963

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.excelsior.com.mx%2Fnacional%2F2014%2F06%2F19%2F965963

Didn't take long to find a new governor in Michoacan. The new guy is Salvador Jara Guerrero, until now the rector of the Universidad Michoacana de San Nicolás de Hidalgo. From Animal Politico...

Salvador Jara rinde protesta como nuevo gobernador de Michoacán

http://www.animalpolitico.com/2014/06/proponen-rector-para-ocupar-el-cargo-de-vallejo-en-michoacan/#axzz35EowSGpd

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.animalpolitico.com%2F2014%2F06%2Fproponen-rector-para-ocupar-el-cargo-de-vallejo-en-michoacan%2F%23axzz35EowSGpd

Oh well. He said all the right words so everything is going to be just fine now.   

One of La Tuta's sons was arrested early Saturday morning in Arteaga. That makes two of his sons who have been busted. The search for La Tuta continues. From Sinembargo...

Gobierno Federal confirma la detención del hijo de “La Tuta”; amenazó a policías que lo detuvieron

http://www.sinembargo.mx/21-06-2014/1033355

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinembargo.mx%2F21-06-2014%2F1033355

Eight cops, including the chief, were busted in Churintzio for ties to organized crime. The little town between La Barca and Morelia only has a total of 15 cops. From Informador...

Detienen a ocho policías de Michoacán por presuntos nexos con crimen

http://www.informador.com.mx/318/crimen-organizado

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informador.com.mx%2Fmexico%2F2014%2F534894%2F6%2Fdetienen-a-ocho-policias-de-michoacan-por-presuntos-nexos-con-crimen.htm

According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

And don't even ask where he got that liver for his liver transplant.

Rumors of the death of Broly Banderas have been greatly exaggerated. Broly, the reputed Templario assassin, recently sent along another taunting video. Here's the video and translation from Borderland Beat...

Caballeros Templarios: Broly Banderas sends a Message, "Ay, Ay, Ay!!!"

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/broly-banderas-sends-message-ay-ay-ay.html

Smartalex wrote:According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

It is becoming more evident that there is no difference between the cartels and the government.  What are citizens to do?  Herd like lambs on there way to slaughter?

Smartalex wrote:According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

As far as I can tell this didn't come as news to anyone. It's not like anything will happen to them...there will be "lack of evidence" . It will be interesting to see who/what comes out of the woodwork since Vallejo's minions are likely scattering like roaches.
Military is in Chapala today so we can all relax, haha.

Smartalex wrote:Rumors of the death of Broly Banderas have been greatly exaggerated. Broly, the reputed Templario assassin, recently sent along another taunting video. Here's the video and translation from Borderland Beat...

Caballeros Templarios: Broly Banderas sends a Message, "Ay, Ay, Ay!!!"

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/broly-banderas-sends-message-ay-ay-ay.html

There are thousands of insignificant pawns in the narco underworld just like this one. Except he is an attention whore. When he is killed, some other ignorant young man will pick up his AK47 and continue the killing. The media does everyone a disservice by publishing his stories fueled by his vanity. Losers such as him don't deserve the attention they receive.

Playaboy wrote:

Smartalex wrote:According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

It is becoming more evident that there is no difference between the cartels and the government.  What are citizens to do?  Herd like lambs on there way to slaughter?

Three choices, for citizens.
  1. Leave Dodge
  2. Get into government
  3. Join a cartel

...and that's what's happening to the survivors, who aren't autodefensas or sleeping on the floor with a weapon (and who knows about all of them).  When you work in a coal mine, it's dark and the air you breathe is nasty and the canaries are the first casualties.

Playaboy wrote:

Smartalex wrote:According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

It is becoming more evident that there is no difference between the cartels and the government.  What are citizens to do?  Herd like lambs on there way to slaughter?

"In a democracy, people get the government they deserve."

Not sure who actually said that...but it seems an appropriate reference in this instance. Let's not forget that the people of Michoacan elected this bunch of thieves and assassins to public office. Perhaps they bear some measure of responsibility for the consequences of doing that.

Smartalex wrote:

Playaboy wrote:

Smartalex wrote:According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

It is becoming more evident that there is no difference between the cartels and the government.  What are citizens to do?  Herd like lambs on there way to slaughter?

"In a democracy, people get the government they deserve."

Not sure who actually said that...but it seems an appropriate reference in this instance. Let's not forget that the people of Michoacan elected this bunch of thieves and assassins to public office. Perhaps they bear some measure of responsibility for the consequences of doing that.

They had a true voice in the matter? If Michoacan is what many concede, a failed state, then how can it be called a democracy?

Just when you were thinking, "Whatever happened to this Mireles character?"...he's back. Early Thursday morning, Mireles headed a convoy of 50 pickup trucks and some 300 Autodefensas and occupied the town of La Mira, near Lazaro Cardenas. Other than to get his name back in the news, Mireles' objectives aren't clear. According to this press report, Mireles claims he is going to take control of Lazaro Cardenas and then move on to Morelia. From Atiempo...

Retoman autodefensas Tenencia de la Mira en Lázaro Cárdenas

http://www.atiempo.mx/justicia/retoman-autodefensas-tenencia-de-la-mira-en-lazaro-cardenas/

Google Translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atiempo.mx%2Fjusticia%2Fretoman-autodefensas-tenencia-de-la-mira-en-lazaro-cardenas%2F

Just heard on the news that Mireles was taken into custody by the Marines in Lázaro Cárdenas, Michoacán.

Here's the news story about Mireles' arrest. From Sinembargo...

Procuraduría de Michoacán confirma que Mireles fue arrestado por portar armas de uso exclusivo del Ejército

http://www.sinembargo.mx/27-06-2014/1040104

Google Translation...

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinembargo.mx%2F27-06-2014%2F1040104

Smartalex wrote:

Playaboy wrote:

Smartalex wrote:According to government documents leaked to Proceso, former Michoacan governor Fausto Vallejo and his son Rodrigo had extensive ties to organized crime. Here's an English translation of the story from Borderland Beat...

Fausto Vallejo: A governor of the narco and for the narco

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/06/fausto-vallejo-governor-of-narco-and.html#more

It is becoming more evident that there is no difference between the cartels and the government.  What are citizens to do?  Herd like lambs on there way to slaughter?

"In a democracy, people get the government they deserve."

Not sure who actually said that...but it seems an appropriate reference in this instance. Let's not forget that the people of Michoacan elected this bunch of thieves and assassins to public office. Perhaps they bear some measure of responsibility for the consequences of doing that.

smartAlex, how can you say this?  There is no democracy here.  Maybe you should reread your post on the first page of this thread.  It is the 13th one from the top.

Slainte, you only named 2 out of 3 choices; 1) get out of dodge and 2) join the mafia or the government (they are the same thing, kind of like the chicken or the egg)  The 3rd solution is civil war or revolution.

Democracy? Surely SmartAlex Misspoke..............

From the NY times in June 2012 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/opinion/sunday/mexican-democracys-lost-years.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The Peruvian novelist Mario Vargas Llosa once called the PRI a “perfect dictatorship,” underscoring its tight control of public life without resort to military juntas and their everyday brutalities. To be sure, the PRI today has moved on from there. It is not the same party that massacred pro-democracy students in 1968, nationalized the banks on a presidential whim in 1982 and secured a presidential election victory in 1988 only after the vote-counting computer crashed. But even in its more acceptable form, the PRI does not bode well for pushing democratization forward.

Kottke wrote:

They had a true voice in the matter? If Michoacan is what many concede, a failed state, then how can it be called a democracy?

Maybe the question should be why is Michoacan in particular a "failed state"when many other states in the republic are not.

Good article on failed state definition: http://www.e-ir.info/2012/12/07/is-failed-state-a-useless-term/

Despite a large degree of international recognition, Mexico has clearly failed to achieve a Weberian standard of statehood. Endemic levels of violence generated by former President Calderon’s so-called ‘war on drugs’ has claimed over 50 000 lives, as well as corroding many core institutions of the state (Correa-Cabrera [/i]and Nava 2012: 3). If sovereignty is to be judged by the standard of Max Weber, then it is difficult to view Mexico as anything other than failed. While this may initially seem hyperbolic, it is crucial to fully appreciate the level in which the ‘war on drugs’ has critically undermined the Mexican state. As a consequence of ongoing violence in 2011, the state of Tamaulipas in northern Mexico declared itself ‘ungovernable’, with many fearing Mexico was approaching ‘critical mass’, a period in which credible authority would be replaced by anarchy throughout the entire North of Mexico (Hale 2011: 6). Despite this direct challenge to its internal sovereignty, however, Mexico’s external sovereignty remains relatively uncontested. Even among those who stress the profound negative impact of ‘war on drugs’ on the Mexican state, there is a clear reluctance to re-conceptualise the troubled state as ‘failed’ (Jones 2011: 6:08; Ackerman 2009: 1). This unwillingness to hold Mexico to the same standard of other vulnerable states highlights an important dimension of ‘failed state’ logic. Rather than resulting from an objective truth, the term ‘failed state’ is centred on subjective interpretations, which prioritise the ‘failings’ of some states over others. This fact is explored by Call, who argues that powerful Western states view ‘failing’ or ‘failed’ states through a ‘lens of their interests’, treating strategically important vulnerable states fundamentally different than those that neither pose a serious threat nor possess important natural resources (2011: 322). This demonstrates clearly the primacy of ideational over material factors in the term ‘failed state’. The implications of this inconsistent application of the term ‘failed state’ should be obvious; namely a definitional incoherence inhibitive to academic clarity and effective policy. This is made even more apparent through an analysis of the way in which the term ‘failed state’ is increasingly used to describe authoritarian regimes.[/i]