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Post by Jeff Raybourne Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:39 am

The bogus organ transplant scenario was started way back in the 80s in Latin America and was originally the USSR via its proxy in Cuba that started it. The original culprits were of course the gringos. Just another absurdity of the Cold War.

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Post by slainte39 Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:12 pm

Jeff Raybourne wrote:The bogus organ transplant scenario was started way back in the 80s in Latin America and was originally the USSR via its proxy in Cuba that started it. The original culprits were of course the gringos. Just another absurdity of the Cold War.

It got fueled up and more legs with a 1990 movie called "The Harvest" that got wide play in US cines and on TV.
Although pure fiction, filmed in PV, it got treated like a documentary by the less well informed.

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Post by Smartalex Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:09 pm

Let's take a look at "La Fortaleza," the Templarios' mountain retreat and pleasure palace, less than an hour's drive from Apatzingan.

Spanish:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/-39la-fortaleza-39-centro-de-diversion-templario-995949.html

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Post by Smartalex Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:04 am

Enrique "Kike" Plancarte, the number-two jefe of the Templarios, was shot and killed yesterday by Mexican marines in Querétaro. Here's the story from El Universal.

Spanish:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/mata-marina-al--39kike-39-jefe-templario-999758.html

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Post by Smartalex Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:29 am

Meanwhile, another Autodefensas leader has been arrested for murder, this time for ordering the assassination of Tanhuato mayor Gustavo Garibay Garcia.

Spanish:
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2014/impreso/ordeno-lider-de-autodefensas-matar-a-alcalde-214433.html

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Post by slainte39 Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:06 am

Thanks Alex for keeping us up to date.
The Marines also seized and confiscated six airplanes at a ranch in Sinaloa a few days ago, along with weapons/arms and drugs.

These guys are the faceless, nameless heroes that are trying their best to save Mexico.
KUDOS!!!!

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Post by CheenaGringo Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:19 am

How perfect is it that this happened in Querétaro which has a reputation for being squeaky clean and pretty much free of organized crime? What better place to hang out?

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Post by hickton Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:36 pm

maybe slightly off topic, but for those of you who are interested in the problems in mexico, look at valor por Tamaulipas. or follow on twitter , facebook. it gives the local citizens info in real time of any problems. all in Spanish, and colloquial as well. but never the less gives an insight to the real problems. I have to visit regularly and have close family there, for the past two months violence and kidnappings have increased significantly. here most foreigners don't have any real idea of the outside world..

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Post by CheenaGringo Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:52 pm

hickton:

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Tamaulipas had pretty steady problems for years? I have certainly read numerous warnings about not traveling to the border through this area.

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Post by hickton Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:00 pm

yes has had problems for many years , but recently the z are moving in. past two months have seen much more problems.

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Post by slainte39 Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:51 pm

Alex....
I see some astute poster on TOB accused you of being too political with your linked news articles on the Michoacan saga.
They want to be left alone to form their own opinion from their own sources and find it hard to with stand the politcal propaganda being put forth by you.
Are you the Fox news equivalent of Michoacan "fair and balanced" reporting?  Rolling Eyes 

The noise you hear, is from the rattling of my shaking head.

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Post by Smartalex Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:59 pm

The Michoacan thread on TOB gets a lot of views. For the most part, I think the readers there appreciate the information in the news links I provide. A few readers are deeply committed to some highly romanticized notion which holds the vigilantes forth as saviors. They are having trouble facing the reality that the leadership of the AUS movement have been exposed as a bunch of criminals and assassins. They accuse me of somehow manipulating the news. Although I have often been criticized for the things I have written, it is a new experience to be criticized for what other journalists have written.
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Post by Pedro Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:51 pm

slainte39 wrote:Alex....
I see some astute poster on TOB accused you of being too political with your linked news articles on the Michoacan saga.
They want to be left alone to form their own opinion from their own sources and find it hard to with stand the politcal propaganda being put forth by you.
Are you the Fox news equivalent of Michoacan "fair and balanced" reporting?  Rolling Eyes 

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but alex is smart-SNORK! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 
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Post by slainte39 Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:38 am

When the linked news stories don't match up with the romanticism.....
BINGO!!!....deflation.

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Post by Smartalex Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:28 pm

The Templarios appear to be finished. Of the top Templario leaders, only Servando Gomez (La Tuta) survives. The search for him continues but he can't be a very effective leader from his hiding place.

Now the government has once again asked the Autodefensas to disarm and disband. They have been given 15 days notice to turn in their military-style fully automatic weapons and allow the new national gendarmes to take over policing the towns they have occupied. The government says the gendarmes will arrest civilians possessing these illegal weapons.

AUS leader Estanislao Beltran has stated he will abide with the terms of the January 27 agreement between the AUS and the government. His men will disarm. However, this Mireles character refuses to cooperate with the government. He claims that his men will never disarm and will never allow the gendarmes into their communities. He says if the government wants an all-out war, he will give it to them. Just more bluff and bluster from the king of smoke-blowers? We'll see.

Meanwhile, a new cartel has formed in Michoacan. It is called H3 and is composed of former members of La Familia. the Templarios and the Autodefensas. The infamous band of assassins known as "Los Viagras" have also been reported to have joined H3.
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Post by slainte39 Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:31 am

What's the latest on Hipólito?  Is he still residing in the big city?

The remnants joining forces is a desparate effort to hold onto the power they once had.  If the goverment keeps the pressure on and doesn't slack up, these guys will cannibalize themselves and never put it together.  No central figure of power....yet.  They die hard because of what they once had, and still do, in some pockets.

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Post by Smartalex Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:03 am

No news about Mora. I guess he's still locked up in Morelia and the authorities are still looking for the nine guys who actually did the hit that Mora is accused of ordering. The Mexican press just tends to move along to the latest scandal. For instance, the detention of Michoacan Secretary of State Jesus Reyna, who is under investigation for ties to the Templarios. Here's the story.

PGR holds the number two in the government of Michoacán; will be relieved of his duties in the coming hours

Spanish:
http://www.sinembargo.mx/05-04-2014/953725

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http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es-419&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinembargo.mx%2F05-04-2014%2F953725&edit-text=
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Post by Smartalex Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:09 pm

Here's an update on the arrest of Michoacan Secretary of State Jesus Reyna for colluding with the Templarios. According to federal Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam, the investigation has widened to include additional state officials.

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http://www.sinembargo.mx/07-04-2014/955768

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Post by Smartalex Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:37 pm

A second public official has been detained in the investigation of Michoacan Secretary of State Jesus Reyna for colluding with the Templarios. The latest detainee is Jose Trinidad Martinez, who is identified as a public transportation minister and former PRI deputy. He is charged with attending the same meeting with Templario leaders that led to the detention of Reyna. Three local mayors also attended the meeting.

Spanish:
http://www.sinembargo.mx/09-04-2014/957401

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http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es-419&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinembargo.mx%2F09-04-2014%2F957401&edit-text=

Meanwhile, this Mireles character has been declared the sole spokesman for the Autodefensas, making a total break with the Estanislao Beltran faction of the AUS movement. Here's the story from Borderland Beat. Keep in mind that Mireles is a pathological deceiver...and that the Borderland Beat "reporter" is in love with the man. (You may have to scroll up the page to see the story.)

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/04/dr-mireles-is-sole-spokesman-additonal.html#comment-form
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Post by Playaboy Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:46 pm

Smartalex wrote:A second public official has been detained in the investigation of Michoacan Secretary of State Jesus Reyna for colluding with the Templarios. The latest detainee is Jose Trinidad Martinez, who is identified as a public transportation minister and former PRI deputy. He is charged with attending the same meeting with Templario leaders that led to the detention of Reyna. Three local mayors also attended the meeting.

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http://www.sinembargo.mx/09-04-2014/957401

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http://translate.google.com.mx/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=es-419&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sinembargo.mx%2F09-04-2014%2F957401&edit-text=

Meanwhile, this Mireles character has been declared the sole spokesman for the Autodefensas, making a total break with the Estanislao Beltran faction of the AUS movement. Here's the story from Borderland Beat. Keep in mind that Mireles is a pathological deceiver...and that the Borderland Beat "reporter" is in love with the man. (You may have to scroll up the page to see the story.)

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/04/dr-mireles-is-sole-spokesman-additonal.html#comment-form

Dr. Mireles has a very large following in Michoacan.  I know several people living in the Los Reyes area that believe in his message and follow his activities daily on the internet. They are glued to their smart phones and tablets. 

They don't call them "vigilantes" in the municipo's they have entered. they are called "communitarios".  They are viewed as hero's and saviors.  In my friends pueblo, 5000 population, the general public is happy they are there.  They feel safer.  Business has picked up.

You might think Dr. Mireles is a pathological deceiver, a drug trafficker, or a member of another cartel.  Our opinion of the man don't matter.  The man is getting his message out there and his followers are growing in number.  

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Post by Smartalex Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:41 pm

I did not say that he was not good at what he does.
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Post by Playaboy Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:31 pm

Smartalex wrote:I did not say that he was not good at what he does.

My post was not directly aimed at you Alex. I am sorry it came out that way. I do appreciate the effort you make posting updates and links.

The Dr's ranks are growing. He echos a lot of peoples feelings. All the criminals must go, cartel and government.


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Post by slainte39 Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:12 pm

Playaboy wrote:
Smartalex wrote: Keep in mind that Mireles is a pathological deceiver



You might think Dr. Mireles is a pathological deceiver

Who is "you" in your post, if not Alex?

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Post by Pedro Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:34 pm

Smartalex wrote:I did not say that he was not good at what he does.
but now yer gonna tell us yer a psych expert along with your other one sided OPINIONS. you can't have been a journalist. i put it to you that you may have been a poorly equipped spin doctor based on your OPINIONS and one sided cut and pastes on this thread. but at least you have now posted about a coupla gummint officials under investigation and got off your one track diatribe.
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Post by Smartalex Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:59 pm

They may be closing in on La Tuta...

We're Going for "La Tuta" say Autodefensas; lay siege, with police and army, to Jiquilpan, Michoacán

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http://www.sinembargo.mx/11-04-2014/960172

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Post by Playaboy Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:28 am

Dr. Mireles has drawn the "line in the sand". A 30 day ultimatum.

Mexican 'self-defense' group demands government free prisoners

What will the Presidente do?

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