Statement from Joaquin Huerta en La Pagina

The presidente of Chapala municipal made a statement in this weeks edition of "La Pagina". The gist of it is:

In light of the recent desmadre I would like to say a few words.
We are in a bigger mess than ever. We all know what the big problem is. Lack of security .
I'm all about protecting the public and I will find a solution.
People are talking about what is going on and that ain't helping.
God, I wish this problem would just go away but we all know that is not going to happen.
However, as of Tuesday of this week decisive action has been taken to everyone's benefit , you'll see . Trust me.
We are on it and everything we do is for you, the public, to restore peace and tranquility to our community.

That is pretty much what was said. In other words...nothing.

You can read the online version at www.lapaginaquesiselee.com , page 1

lol, B. Thanks for posting this. lololol Trust me!

Damn. Link isn't working. Think their server is on holiday at the moment. As great as your abridged translation is - and it is - I still want to read it!

At least he's honest in his assessment, "we are in a bigger mess than ever." My gardener of 10 years asked me why I stay here; I told him I'm too old to go anywhere. He said, things will be bad until one cartel gets control. He said many in the local community say there will be another May Massacre.

Meantime, remember last year's massacre.

Mario and Maria will be having a hard time this Mother's Day and I'm sure they'll make a beautiful shrine to Abel in the restaurant. You might consider coming to SAT for Mother's Day and having a meal with Mario and Maria at Mario's restaurant. They are wonderful people who would appreciate being remembered. You could even bring flowers for Maria if you wanted.

Trailrunner wrote:Meantime, remember last year's massacre.

Mario and Maria will be having a hard time this Mother's Day and I'm sure they'll make a beautiful shrine to Abel in the restaurant. You might consider coming to SAT for Mother's Day and having a meal with Mario and Maria at Mario's restaurant. They are wonderful people who would appreciate being remembered. You could even bring flowers for Maria if you wanted.

This is why I am in favor of legalization. 110,000,000 people here, some far more than others, are paying a very high price for drug abuse in developed countries.

Sounds like The Poor Bastard might be Exausted...
Maybe it`s time for one of these Prima Donas to step up ta the plate to fix things

As I see it

You Love Mexico cause you can live here for nothing
Of course that is because no taxes, no wages, no services.... that would include Law Enforcement

My Bar Tab is bigger than the Average Policemans Salary!

Now the same people come out from behind their walls to criticise


Time for my morning coffee....................

Here's a better link:
http://www.paginaquesiselee.com.mx/

https://2img.net/h/oi49.tinypic.com/f2lwgj.jpg

I took a picture, I dont know if you will be able to read it but I can read it fine on my ipad .

thank you...
It appears he's looking for a vote of confidence...other existing problems according to these articles that I don't care to make sense of...

http://www.pagina24jalisco.com.mx/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8042&catid=41&Itemid=105

http://www.paginaquesiselee.com.mx/index.php/contenido/noticias/13642-al-presidente-municipal-de-chapala

At least there was some printed recognition of the loss of the 2 teachers:
http://www.paginaquesiselee.com.mx/index.php/contenido/cartas-a-la-direccion/13734-comite-directivo-municipal-de-accion-nacional-chapala-nos-unimos-al-dolor-que-embarga-a-los-familiares-de-las-maestras-mireya-martinez-urciaga-y-gloria-urciaga-aguilar-

DH spoke with a couple of officers from Guadalajara in front of Superlake this afternoon and asked why they were out here and if it had anything to do with recent events? They said yes, they are here to show support and did not indicate they would be leaving anytime soon. We'll see.

I find that there are many national & expat folks that do not know of anything happening out here, and they live here. Some folks just choose not to read the news because it's upsetting. There comes a point when you realize bad stuff is happening so do what you can to take precautions and live your life. Don't spend too much time dwelling on it.

Legization? Well decriminalization but then again do you let everybody have free access to crack and heroin? If you don't allow free access to all the black market will still be there, better the druggies die of ODs and kill each other than the criminal groups go to bugging the good people, at least the present system gives them drug profits and doesn't make their only large income sources kidnapping and extortion.

seisdedos wrote:

Trailrunner wrote:Meantime, remember last year's massacre.

Mario and Maria will be having a hard time this Mother's Day and I'm sure they'll make a beautiful shrine to Abel in the restaurant. You might consider coming to SAT for Mother's Day and having a meal with Mario and Maria at Mario's restaurant. They are wonderful people who would appreciate being remembered. You could even bring flowers for Maria if you wanted.

This is why I am in favor of legalization. 110,000,000 people here, some far more than others, are paying a very high price for drug abuse in developed countries.

I'm with you on this, and maybe it will happen, there have been rumblings. What I'd like to see the end of is meth. That scares me to death and is the real thing that is ruining this country and it's kids.

Having just read this thread, it seems like law enforcement is in place, that's a good thing. Now they just need to track down the meth labs. How hard can it be?

As for the head honchos, they're in business, so legalize it, let everybody have some cannabis sativa, the honcho's collect taxes for the government and the streets are not only clean but green. That's what I call a win win deal. Plus there are a whole lotta happy people as well. Social and economic problems solved in one simple business transaction.

I'd invest in that. Forget Real Estate.

torre wrote:Having just read this thread, it seems like law enforcement is in place, that's a good thing. Now they just need to track down the meth labs. How hard can it be?

As for the head honchos, they're in business, so legalize it, let everybody have some cannabis sativa, the honcho's collect taxes for the government and the streets are not only clean but green. That's what I call a win win deal. Plus there are a whole lotta happy people as well. Social and economic problems solved in one simple business transaction.

I'd invest in that. Forget Real Estate.

okay - I will bite. So you legalize it. These guys have multifacted big businesses. What percentage do you think is drugs? What happens to their other profitable enterprises - such as extortion? Think they will just say - okay, I will go play in another country.

Sounds like you do not have a good understanding of the cartel's business models. They surely would update it - versus go belly up - and they are a global business...........

Agree. Maybe decriminalize but the minute the bottom lines of the big guys' starts taking a hit you can safely bet extortion and kidnapping and the other heinous crimes against citizens will escalate to all new highs.

Just for a better understanding: A Mexican friend told me yesterday she casually knows one of the 2 guys kidnapped by the Chapala cops. She said they were snatched to be killed because of a dispute. Seems they were told to cook AND sell the meth but they only wanted to sell and not cook.

The other criminal enterprises don't even come close to the billions the cartels make thru drugs. Anyone who thinks that is mistaken.

They would have to collect more than 1000 ransoms of 1,000,000 in a year to come up with a billion dollars. Or divide a billion by another smaller number if you wish. That ain't happening. They are pulling in several billion each year from drugs, not just one billion, and that income cannot be equaled elsewhere.

Where do you think the money for the incredible armaments, communications equipment, vehicles and bribes is coming from? Shaking down a tire store? Kidnapping a restaurant owner? That's nonsense.

You free resources wasted on combating what is now illegal to better fight crime that affects innocent people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25/guatemala-drug-legalization_n_1914042.html

Trailrunner wrote:Agree. Maybe decriminalize but the minute the bottom lines of the big guys' starts taking a hit you can safely bet extortion and kidnapping and the other heinous crimes against citizens will escalate to all new highs.

Just for a better understanding: A Mexican friend told me yesterday she casually knows one of the 2 guys kidnapped by the Chapala cops. She said they were snatched to be killed because of a dispute. Seems they were told to cook AND sell the meth but they only wanted to sell and not cook.

And that meth was probably for local consumption.
Sunday night two bars in Guadalajara were attacked, grenades and AKs, 5 people dead including one gringo who was watching the futbol game,I'd been to both of those bars when I first moved here,they were in my neighborhood,sounds like extortion to me,even if the family that owns them claims it hadn't recieved any threats,I'm sure you'd see a lot more of that sort of thing with the loss of profits that would follow legalization.I doubt these guys are going to go out and get regular jobs.

So let's maintain the status quo. Because anyone intelligent can see that is working out just grand.

Seis,I don't have the answer and neither do you.

viajero wrote:Seis,I don't have the answer and neither do you.

Yeah, well the status quo has undoubtedly been a complete failure. Prohibition has led to the present predicament. Time for another approach. And I happen to agree with people like the Guatemalan President and many others.

If you couple the savings from enforcement and incarceration with the income from tax revenue you could go a long way into improving the economies of several nations.
Not to mention the ability of law enforcement to focus on possibly more important issues.

The "war" on drugs has failed miserably and yes it is time to try a different approach.

I'm sure big business NOB would love the opportunity to get its paws into the trade.

1. The narcos can quit while they are ahead. That has happened in Colombia where many have taken the profits and invested it into businesses. This will not appeal to new narcos that are still looking for easy money.

2. The USA can decriminalize drugs, and treat addiction as a medical problem. This would be good in the long run, but will involve money shifted from law enforcement to rehabilitation treatment. This will not lower the demand in Mexico unless other countries do the same. Mexico now is one of the leading, if not the leading supplier of drugs to Europe.

3. Mexico cannot yet decriminalize drugs becuase it will have a retaliation that will be more than the government can handle. There are already attacks on rehab clinics, and people forced to sell drugs.

4. More people at risk should be permitted to have hand guns. There is an NRA saying that states "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns," and we see this in Mexico. Not every drunk Mexican should have one, but when people do not have the right to defend themselves, the outlaws have easier targets. As it is now in Mexico, if an innocent victim shoots and kills a narco, it is murder becuase the gun was not a legal gun. To legally carry a gun in Mexico requires money ($4000mxn per year) and special permission with great restrictions.

Is there one answer that will work perfectly, no.

Just as a separate note the narcos have not quit in Colombia.

I have a friend living there who just told me that more than ever cocaine is being produced and exported and it is destroying the jungle and creating a huge contamination problem in the rivers in the jungle.

He says they are not organized in large groups anymore with armies , huge estates and so on, they have splintered in thousands of little groups and war gangfare is alive and well.
The scene has morphed there but the production and traffic is larger than ever.

Dr. Sam Thelin wrote:

4. More people at risk should be permitted to have hand guns. There is an NRA saying that states "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns," and we see this in Mexico. Not every drunk Mexican should have one, but when people do not have the right to defend themselves, the outlaws have easier targets. As it is now in Mexico, if an innocent victim shoots and kills a narco, it is murder becuase the gun was not a legal gun. To legally carry a gun in Mexico requires money ($4000mxn per year) and special permission with great restrictions.

"Not every drunk Mexican should have one"
"There is an NRA saying that states...."
Oh brother.....

When it comes to the proponents of legalizing drugs, I have to question just how much experience they have in living in countries where these drugs are either outright legal or local policy is super permissive? I see these blanket cries for legalization to remove the problems but I have to wonder what the answers are for designer drugs which haven't even been invented yet?