Re: Wireless range

by ComputerGuy Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:04 pm

CanuckBob wrote:My requirement is for Iphone, Ipads, etc. that cannot plug into an ethernet. I need wireless coverage. I can probably make due with one of these repeaters however some devices cannot connect to these.

Keep trying: I have yet to see a wireless device that cannot connect to a wireless access point (which is really what repeaters and wireless routers are).

by ComputerGuy Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:05 pm

Zedinmexico wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Yes, but then why not drill a couple of holes and run ethernet everywhere? It's so easy and inexpensive.

Have you tried to buy a box of Cat whatever or RG6 coax down here? If so where?? Home depot only has pre terminated RG6 in 150ft sections.
Can't find a box of Cat whatever anywhere?

Zed

I used to buy it all the time at New World at Plaza B. And when they were out, Rod Collins at LagunaNet always had rolls. And I think most computer stores in Guadalajara do as well. Certainly at the Plaza Technico.

by ComputerGuy Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:08 pm

Axixic wrote:
CanuckBob wrote:Yeah that's probably the best solution. Any idea how to set up the second router a a hotspot?

I did it once on a linksys I owned - I don't remember what I did exactly, it was on option on the control panel and was pretty straight-forward. I think as long as you get a major brand and have the manual you will figure it out quickly.

Generally speaking, you would best be served by calling TelMex in Mexico at 01-800-123-2222 and asking them to set up your modem as a bridge to your router. It is different for every aftermarket router. (Not the procedure, but the menuing.) Also, some people seem to have luck simply plugging in their new router to the number 1 output on the TelMex router (number 1 is always used in these cases).

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:41 am

espíritu del lago wrote:Can't you buy a mobile hotspot ? I have one here in the states w/ Verizon. Doesn't Telmex offer something similar?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#q=mobile+hotspot&hl=en&tbo=u&source=univ&tbm=shop&sa=X&ei=DKYXUfD-IomQ2gWo8IHwDg&sqi=2&ved=0CGUQsxg&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.b2U&fp=e7cb6616b8e29cdb&ion=1&biw=1024&bih=475

Some of those things come with mobile plans; generally, they hook up to a 3G/4G cell phone, so you need Internet on the cell.

You can altrnatively "tether" a laptop that is already receiving a wireless signal, using it as sort of an extender, although in practice I don't think the signal is very strong. I have used a tool called Connectify.

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:45 am

E-raq wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Yes, but then why not drill a couple of holes and run ethernet everywhere? It's so easy and inexpensive.
Sounds good, our wireless does not reach the casita. How do we do this?

You would get whoever you would use to run say a phone line, and have him run Category 5 or 6 (harder to find 6 around here) ethernet cable between your modem and the casita. I get Jose (Shaw Direct installer) to do this all the time. Then have someone who knows how to crimp on the proper connectors.

by tictoc Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:00 am

HelperGuy wrote:
E-raq wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Yes, but then why not drill a couple of holes and run ethernet everywhere? It's so easy and inexpensive.
Sounds good, our wireless does not reach the casita. How do we do this?
You would get whoever you would use to run say a phone line, and have him run Category 5 or 6 (harder to find 6 around here) ethernet cable between your modem and the casita. I get Jose (Shaw Direct installer) to do this all the time. Then have someone who knows how to crimp on the proper connectors.

No need to have a connector crimped on. Just have both ends of the wire terminated on an rj45 jack (8 pin) then use a patch cord to connect the jack to the device. Also if you are putting the IW ( cat 5 inside wire) in the ground, just be aware that it can be done but it is not made for that application.

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:19 am

Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol.

TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses.

All will become clear when you get here.

by borderreiver Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:42 pm

Just returned my extender to Rod @ Laguna. I think, in the end, the distance was to far. He said he'd had good success up to 40 metres. I suggested he join the forum and weigh in on some of these tech issues.

by Zedinmexico Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:43 pm

HelperGuy wrote:Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol.

TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses.

All will become clear when you get here.

In fact I suggest you bring in your own connectors from up north if you like to use good quality ones. Quality here is variable including too large or small plastic
pieces which allows wiggling and such. I am sure one can get everything more or less in Guad but that doesn't do me any good as I don't drive past a certain
point due to my lack of driving skills in Guad. Home Depot here has nothing but preterminated 150ft sections of RG6. Never heard of Cat 5/6 wiring or plates.
So don't assume cause we have a Home Depot that we have boxes of wire for example like NOB. We don't.

Z

by espíritu del lago Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:31 pm

Thanks helper guy. So telmex does offer 4g with smart phone?

by sparks Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:04 pm

espíritu del lago wrote:Thanks helper guy. So telmex does offer 4g with smart phone?

Telmex offers wireless?

You could pull RJ45 wire thru existing electrical tubing if there is a convenient run not too full of wire. Problem is only your electrician knows where the runs go. For exterior I'd use that green exterior tubing that you can glue together and run it along a wall. I made 4 drops from the roof during construction for possible Satellite connections so could put an extender almost anywhere

by tictoc Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:20 pm

HelperGuy wrote:Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol.

TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses.

All will become clear when you get here.

Sorry, I just figured if someone could source the cat 5, then they could source the jack to go with it. In my experience it is easier to get a jack than a male end. Plus if you get the end, you need to make sure you get the right kind (there are 3). Most people don’t know the difference (reading the manufacture doc probably won't tell you either) and if you use the wrong one for your wire, you are assured to have trouble. A surface mount jack with two sided tape should work in just about any application (even concrete..) for the jack.
If running between two separate buildings, I would pick putting it in the ground (even if difficult) over hanging it.

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:25 pm

espíritu del lago wrote:Thanks helper guy. So telmex does offer 4g with smart phone?

Heck, no idea what the service is here, actually. Data rates are so high I just never bothered. Don't even have a smart phone.

by tictoc Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:26 pm

Zedinmexico wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol.

TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses.

All will become clear when you get here.

In fact I suggest you bring in your own connectors from up north if you like to use good quality ones. Quality here is variable including too large or small plastic
pieces which allows wiggling and such. I am sure one can get everything more or less in Guad but that doesn't do me any good as I don't drive past a certain
point due to my lack of driving skills in Guad. Home Depot here has nothing but preterminated 150ft sections of RG6. Never heard of Cat 5/6 wiring or plates.
So don't assume cause we have a Home Depot that we have boxes of wire for example like NOB. We don't.

Z

Just an FYI RG6 is coax. For TV. CAT 5, 6 is for phone/networking. Some old networks do use BNC (coax) connectors but that has all but gone away with fiber. You may find the coax and the IW in different sections of the store.

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:27 pm

tictoc wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol. TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses. All will become clear when you get here.
Sorry, I just figured if someone could source the cat 5, then they could source the jack to go with it. In my experience it is easier to get a jack than a male end. Plus if you get the end, you need to make sure you get the right kind (there are 3). Most people don’t know the difference (reading the manufacture doc probably won't tell you either) and if you use the wrong one for your wire, you are assured to have trouble. A surface mount jack with two sided tape should work in just about any application (even concrete..) for the jack. If running between two separate buildings, I would pick putting it in the ground (even if difficult) over hanging it.

Absolutely no probs, dude. Like I said, once you arrive, the mists will lift... I brought a box of ends with me from Canada, and they are almost gone. I need to find a source here. I worked with an whole-house wiring specialist here for a few months; he had to order everything from the States: wall plates/jacks, ends, you name it. We did find multi-service-outlet wall plates in Mexico, but could not get the snap-ins for ethernet. We installed every-room Internet, phone and long distance service, using Cat5 cable, because ethernet doesn't actually require all the twisted pairs; we used one pair for phone services. Wireless range - Page 2 Ethcable03

by E-raq Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:58 pm

Thanks for all the info. Of course, as usual it's a guy thing and therefore of no real use to me.

Basic problem, the casita is way too far from the house to run wires, so how about some gizmo (sorry techies) that bounces the signal from the garage, which is about where the wireless reaches, just another 10 or 15 meters to where the casita is?

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:01 pm

If you can get a repeater/extender in a line-of-sight with your TelMex modem, yes, it can be done. And researching the Weeb will uncover routers that do that job specifically for longer distances and for outdoors. Almost Impossible to find anything around here, though.

by tictoc Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:41 pm

HelperGuy wrote:
tictoc wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol. TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses. All will become clear when you get here.
Sorry, I just figured if someone could source the cat 5, then they could source the jack to go with it. In my experience it is easier to get a jack than a male end. Plus if you get the end, you need to make sure you get the right kind (there are 3). Most people don’t know the difference (reading the manufacture doc probably won't tell you either) and if you use the wrong one for your wire, you are assured to have trouble. A surface mount jack with two sided tape should work in just about any application (even concrete..) for the jack. If running between two separate buildings, I would pick putting it in the ground (even if difficult) over hanging it.
Absolutely no probs, dude. Like I said, once you arrive, the mists will lift... I brought a box of ends with me from Canada, and they are almost gone. I need to find a source here. I worked with an whole-house wiring specialist here for a few months; he had to order everything from the States: wall plates/jacks, ends, you name it. We did find multi-service-outlet wall plates in Mexico, but could not get the snap-ins for ethernet. We installed every-room Internet, phone and long distance service, using Cat5 cable, because ethernet doesn't actually require all the twisted pairs; we used one pair for phone services.

Just to clarify the image on the left is 568.a to 568.a and the image on the right is 568.a to 568.b (cross over). I prefer to use 568.a but for ease of Assembly most male cables are configured 568.b to 568.b. and yes Ethernet uses pairs 1,2,3,6 so pairs 4,5 (phone line 1), 7,8 can be used for other things but if using cat5e I would be hesitant to use them for Ethernet over a distance.

by tictoc Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:46 pm

HelperGuy wrote:If you can get a repeater/extender in a line-of-sight with your TelMex modem, yes, it can be done. And researching the Weeb will uncover routers that do that job specifically for longer distances and for outdoors. Almost Impossible to find anything around here, though.

I don't know Telmex hardware so I don't know ease of setup but if I were looking to extend a wifi I would do it like helperguy has suggested in this post.

by Zedinmexico Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:15 pm

tictoc wrote:
Zedinmexico wrote:
HelperGuy wrote:Pretty safe to assume no one will be putting the cable in the ground around here, lol.

TicToc, getting a RJ 45 walljack (I'm guessing that's what you mean) is a difficult proposition around here. Installing one can be an even more fun process when you see some of the houses.

All will become clear when you get here.

In fact I suggest you bring in your own connectors from up north if you like to use good quality ones. Quality here is variable including too large or small plastic
pieces which allows wiggling and such. I am sure one can get everything more or less in Guad but that doesn't do me any good as I don't drive past a certain
point due to my lack of driving skills in Guad. Home Depot here has nothing but preterminated 150ft sections of RG6. Never heard of Cat 5/6 wiring or plates.
So don't assume cause we have a Home Depot that we have boxes of wire for example like NOB. We don't.

Z
Just an FYI RG6 is coax. For TV. CAT 5, 6 is for phone/networking. Some old networks do use BNC (coax) connectors but that has all but gone away with fiber. You may find the coax and the IW in different sections of the store.

No you won't in Mexico Home Depot. I know what cat 5/6 is but home depot in Mexico never heard of it.

Z

by ComputerGuy Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:11 pm

The interesting thing about the big box stores like Home and Office Depot in Mexico? They look the same, but that's about it. They are "specialty" stores with higher prices on just about everything and far less selection or inventory management than up north. It's like they've seen it in the movies and tried to duplicate it, but it didn't quite work out. Best Buy? Fuggedaboudit.

by seisdedos Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:39 pm

You can find most if not everything mentioned (cable, ends, jacks etc) at Steren stores that are all over the ZMG.

by ComputerGuy Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:24 am

Perhaps the bigger Steren stores, none of which I have been to yet. Certainly no jacks or uncut lengths of cable at the smaller ones, like the Galerias. I will certainly check 'em out.

by Zedinmexico Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:31 am

HelperGuy wrote:Perhaps the bigger Steren stores, none of which I have been to yet. Certainly no jacks or uncut lengths of cable at the smaller ones, like the Galleria. I will certainly check 'em out.

Same situation as HG. Could not find box of Cat5/6 or box of RG6 Coax in small Steren store. Are there bigger Steren stores other than the small one at Galleria?
Don't get me wrong. Nice store for lots of stuff just not what I want.

Z

by ComputerGuy Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:58 am

Atari posted on TOB that there are at least a couple of much bigger ones that carry the kind of things we would want. I did not write down the addresses.

by seisdedos Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:35 am

You can order online and have it delivered via Estafeta. Save a trip to the city.

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