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Girl kidnapped at Soriana

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Post by David Sat May 19, 2012 8:08 pm

Unconfirmed info.

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Post by slainte39 Sun May 20, 2012 7:43 am

CheenaGringo wrote:Maybe, it would be a good idea to take a step back and ask yourself: "if my son or daughter were kidnapped in Mexico, would I want this information to be public knowledge"? Remembering that this incident (as reported) happened in Mexico, I would personally have to answer: "hell no!". First of all (as I understand procedures), the family must actually request and then give law enforcement permission to pursue the kidnappers. Second, there is the Mexican recreational sport of extortion - what a perfect opportunity to take advantage of someone missing a child. In thinking back to the most recent incident, there were plenty of rumors about people being missing but people tended to be disbelieving because they were not seeing reports on the TV news or in the newspapers.

Let me get this straight. Kidnappings/murders that do not get reported to the police, tv stations, newspapers, but are broadcast on this board, or others, is not public knowledge?
To me, that is public knowledge of the worst kind.

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Post by johninajijic Sun May 20, 2012 8:42 am

slainte39 wrote:
CheenaGringo wrote:Maybe, it would be a good idea to take a step back and ask yourself: "if my son or daughter were kidnapped in Mexico, would I want this information to be public knowledge"? Remembering that this incident (as reported) happened in Mexico, I would personally have to answer: "hell no!". First of all (as I understand procedures), the family must actually request and then give law enforcement permission to pursue the kidnappers. Second, there is the Mexican recreational sport of extortion - what a perfect opportunity to take advantage of someone missing a child. In thinking back to the most recent incident, there were plenty of rumors about people being missing but people tended to be disbelieving because they were not seeing reports on the TV news or in the newspapers.

Let me get this straight. Kidnappings/murders that do not get reported to the police, tv stations, newspapers, but are broadcast on this board, or others, is not public knowledge?
To me, that is public knowledge of the worst kind.

Agree 1,000%. Everyone thinks that if their maid or gardener tells them something it is true. It is not. Even those who have been here a number of years still post rumour and misinformation.
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Post by manymoonsago Sun May 20, 2012 11:22 am

Instead of measuring rumors only by whether they are fact or fancy ( which may never be confirmed), why not also view the content of the rumors as "unobtrusive measures" of the mental/emotional state of the community ?

To belabor the point: when staff would bring "gossip/rumors" to me about co-workers, I learned to listen on two levels: (1) do I need to investigate the truth of the gossip/rumor; (2) what does this type of "gossip/rumor" tell me about the group's state of mind. When my gardener tells me there were x bodies dumped by the fish camps, I may or may not ever know if this is a fact, but I sure know he and his contacts are worried about violence in the community. The more rumors, the greater the level of worry. So, for me, rumors themselves are important information, whether they are ever substantiated.
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Post by sundown Sun May 20, 2012 12:42 pm

Remember that the Mexican community does not trust the Police !
So where do they go?? They believe that many of the Police are involved.
If a person is kidnapped , the family is called & warned, not to go to the Police. So the will only talk with friends/family that they know they can trust.
I and my mexican wife (and family) know of many crimes that have not been on these webboards. In Chapala last year , in my neighborhood, there were three young men murdered that never reached the news.
The problem is much greater than I Know, or can comprehend. I cannot lock myself in a gated community & believe that the Mexican people "are full of rumors" , and ony this info is true , if verified in the Guad Reporter.
The Police are scared , as the general populace, and will say very little.
Think for a moment about these dangerous men. Don't imagine for a minute that they do want "the use" of a young girl, or a }person for hostage" from people that have money . Remember that most "gringos"
display wealth in the eyes of these people. WAKE UP !!

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Post by johninajijic Sun May 20, 2012 2:59 pm

Are you saying that they are after Gringos too?
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Post by sundown Sun May 20, 2012 6:04 pm

"They" sometimes are only considered to be narcos. But the "wannabe's". "Cholos", and other criminals(and Police accomplices) now have a much easier time to rob, murder, kidnap the "Gringos", due to
the general lawlessness prevailing. AND the investigating manpower is so
occupied(?) , that they now have a feeling that they will not be caught.
With the display of wealth of the "Gringos" we are becoming a more attractive target.
Because I have a Mexican wife, she is a target, because they feel all "Gringos" have access to cash. A friend of ours wife was held for six days, bfore a lot of cash was traded for her relaease.
As I said before, We only have knowledge of a small amount of the
"happenings"

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Post by CanuckBob Sun May 20, 2012 7:06 pm

The minute the gringos are targeted for kidnappings, robberies, extortion and murder this area will be a wasteland and the rest of Mexico will soon follow. All the expats and tourists will disappear. The US and others will pull out their investments and business. Would be a good time for Cuba to tear down the wall..........
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Post by johninajijic Sun May 20, 2012 11:02 pm

CanuckBob wrote:The minute the gringos are targeted for kidnappings, robberies, extortion and murder this area will be a wasteland and the rest of Mexico will soon follow. All the expats and tourists will disappear. The US and others will pull out their investments and business. Would be a good time for Cuba to tear down the wall..........

Good post! And anyone on this forum who thinks that will happen is totally frigging brain dead. And Mexico's unemployment will hit 10 - 15%. And Lakeside will go from middle class Mexicans to a poor Mexican fishing village living in make shift shelters again because Lakeside Gringos provide the work and healthy contractors salaries here. More robberies and kidnappings of wealthy Mexicans.
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Post by sundown Mon May 21, 2012 3:47 pm

Rather be brain dead than use it , like above

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Post by brigitte Mon May 21, 2012 4:13 pm

you guys are greatly overblowing the role of the foreigners in Mexico. Many vibrant parts of Mexico have very little to do with that tourists of expats do. Get a life Mexico will survive one way or the other.

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Post by merry Mon May 21, 2012 4:39 pm

Any more news on the girl who might have been kidnapped at Soriana? Surely they got it all on security cameras.

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Post by hueco_negro Mon May 21, 2012 4:49 pm

If all the gringos leave, or most of them, the only other thing to hope for would be for the lake to almost dry up again, and then Chapala might be a pleasant place to visit again on Sunday.
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Post by merry Mon May 21, 2012 5:11 pm

Alll....righty.... then.


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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 21, 2012 5:18 pm

brigitte wrote:you guys are greatly overblowing the role of the foreigners in Mexico. Many vibrant parts of Mexico have very little to do with that tourists of expats do. Get a life Mexico will survive one way or the other.

I think you may underestimate the foreign investment in Mexico which extends way beyond tourists and expats.
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Post by johninajijic Mon May 21, 2012 5:19 pm

brigitte - The tourist business is mexico's number 1 money source. They're always pissing and moaning when the Tourist industry is way off. Where does mexico thrive other than tourist and construction industries. Maybe in the manufacture of autos? This thread has turned to shit like many of others.


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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 21, 2012 5:23 pm

See if you can pinpoint the turning point John.........
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Post by jackak10 Mon May 21, 2012 5:34 pm

CanuckBob wrote:See if you can pinpoint the turning point John.........

hehe

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Post by David Mon May 21, 2012 5:36 pm

The number 1 revenue source is oil, number 2 is Tourism, and number 3 is remittances. Autos/Trucks and auto parts is probably #4. Then there's agriculture, etc.etc..
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Post by johninajijic Mon May 21, 2012 5:38 pm

David wrote:The number 1 revenue source is oil, number 2 is Tourism, and number 3 is remittances. Autos/Trucks and auto parts is probably #4. Then there's agriculture, etc.etc..

david, thanks! What are remittances?
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Post by merry Mon May 21, 2012 5:40 pm

The girl, the GIRL people!

So, no girl was kidnapped from Soriana, and this thread really should be called "The thread that turned to shit like so many others"?

Merry

desperately clinging to the topic with one hand slipping.....

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Post by CanuckBob Mon May 21, 2012 5:42 pm

Sorry for getting off topic Merry. I have a hold of you..........jajaja
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Post by juanrey Mon May 21, 2012 5:42 pm

johninajijic wrote:
David wrote:The number 1 revenue source is oil, number 2 is Tourism, and number 3 is remittances. Autos/Trucks and auto parts is probably #4. Then there's agriculture, etc.etc..

david, thanks! What are remittances?

Money sent back from family working in the states and elsewhere
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Post by merry Mon May 21, 2012 5:46 pm

Is there a damn girl or not?


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Post by oncesubtle Mon May 21, 2012 5:50 pm

I finally gave up asking Merry and I seriously doubt the entire story as the OP gave a flimsy reply/follow up to the supposed happening.
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Post by merry Mon May 21, 2012 5:52 pm

Thanks oncesubtle, I agree nothing has been said of it since that I can see.

Okay back to the detour, boys!

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