Re: Texas News All Bad

by cerebrozo Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:46 am

ferret wrote: I think their energy commission oughta go on a road trip to Edmonton and learn a thing or two.

Plan B... thanks. Silly buggers. They need a plan B.

Question for you: Would officials in Edmonton be prepared to deal with power problems that would occur if temperatures there were to exceed 40° (104°F) for five consecutive days?

by BisbeeGal Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:56 am

cerebrozo wrote:
ferret wrote: I think their energy commission oughta go on a road trip to Edmonton and learn a thing or two.

Plan B... thanks. Silly buggers. They need a plan B.

Question for you: Would officials in Edmonton be prepared to deal with power problems that would occur if temperatures there were to exceed 40° (104°F) for five consecutive days?

Edmonton and other provinces, as well as almost all US states, maintain cross-province and cross-state grid share systems. Canada and the US also share access to each others grid, when blackouts occur in either country.

Texas, being Texas, never wanted to share with its neighbors, so it designed a stand-alone energy grid. If they had a shared grid system as do all other US states, it would have been subject to regulatory laws (including having to share). Texas, being Texas, felt it was better than its neighbors and felt its stand-alone system would work just fine for Texas with the added bonus of never having to share with its neighbors.

So, there they are, cold, frozen and unable to get any aid from their neighbors. Just the way they wanted it.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/16/texas-power-grid-why-state-has-its-own-operated-ercot/6765007002/

by cerebrozo Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:35 am

BisbeeGal wrote:
cerebrozo wrote:
ferret wrote: I think their energy commission oughta go on a road trip to Edmonton and learn a thing or two.

Plan B... thanks. Silly buggers. They need a plan B.

Question for you: Would officials in Edmonton be prepared to deal with power problems that would occur if temperatures there were to exceed 40° (104°F) for five consecutive days?

Edmonton and other provinces, as well as almost all US states, maintain cross-province and cross-state grid share systems. Canada and the US also share access to each others grid, when blackouts occur in either country.

Texas, being Texas, never wanted to share with its neighbors, so it designed a stand-alone energy grid. If they had a shared grid system as do all other US states, it would have been subject to regulatory laws (including having to share). Texas, being Texas, felt it was better than its neighbors and felt its stand-alone system would work just fine for Texas with the added bonus of never having to share with its neighbors.

So, there they are, cold, frozen and unable to get any aid from their neighbors. Just the way they wanted it.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/16/texas-power-grid-why-state-has-its-own-operated-ercot/6765007002/

I understand Canada has a superior supply system. But I was posing a rhetorical question: To what extent is the power grid in the north designed with heat dissipation and cooling mechanisms needed to prevent damage to distribution and transmission equipment that would be caused by an extended period of high temperatures?

by ferret Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:43 am

cerebrozo wrote:
ferret wrote: I think their energy commission oughta go on a road trip to Edmonton and learn a thing or two.

Plan B... thanks. Silly buggers. They need a plan B.

Question for you: Would officials in Edmonton be prepared to deal with power problems that would occur if temperatures there were to exceed 40° (104°F) for five consecutive days?

You probably could have googled that for yourself... from Wikipedia

And this is a cool website...

Haven't gotten to 40C. yet but it goes from one extreme in winter to another extreme in summer.

by gringal Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:06 am

All in all, it looks like Texas just got a taste of what seceding from the U.S.A. would be like. (Some there have suggested that.)

by ferret Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:34 am

Considering the number of hurricanes that Texas gets, seceding from the U.S. and FEMA help should not be under consideration. They just gotta learn how to share. No man (state) is an island.

by ferret Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:56 am

Joe Biden just declared Texas a major disaster and help is on the way...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-declares-texas-a-major-disaster-after-winter-storms-devastated-the-state/ar-BB1dRpFC?ocid=Peregrine

And they didn't even vote for him.

by Smartalex Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:07 am

If the air temp actually reached 40C in Edmonton, and that resulted in transmission problems with their grid, my guess is that they would fix the problem before it happened once again. In Texas, this is the third time since the 1980s they have had serious transmission problems with their grid due to extreme cold...and they have done nothing to fix it. There is an old saying that goes something like this: "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." Or, to put it more succinctly: "Stupid is as stupid does."

by ferret Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:42 am

I have always believed that insulation and weather proofing are good for all extremes. Protects from the heat but also protects from the cold. That's a win/win in any situation. Many of the homes themselves in Texas are apparently not insulated (or insulated enough) from what I've been reading and especially not older homes.
https://www.houstoniamag.com/home-and-real-estate/2021/02/houston-homes-not-built-for-freezing-weather
These homes are going to get hit with high bills for both heating and cooling because they can't afford insulation.
I do not know if it is more cost effective to insulate the energy sources alone but it would certainly help to stop this from happening again.

by BisbeeGal Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:09 pm

ferret wrote:Joe Biden just declared Texas a major disaster and help is on the way...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-declares-texas-a-major-disaster-after-winter-storms-devastated-the-state/ar-BB1dRpFC?ocid=Peregrine

And they didn't even vote for him.

The major disaster area in Texas is their elected officials.

by ComputerGuy Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:03 pm

ferret wrote:Joe Biden just declared Texas a major disaster and help is on the way...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-declares-texas-a-major-disaster-after-winter-storms-devastated-the-state/ar-BB1dRpFC?ocid=Peregrine

And they didn't even vote for him.

As in "the state is a major disaster", or as in "a disaster zone"...

by mudgirl Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:50 pm

ferret wrote:Considering the number of hurricanes that Texas gets, seceding from the U.S. and FEMA help should not be under consideration. They just gotta learn how to share. No man (state) is an island.

Yeah, but that would smack of the dreaded 'socialism' they're so terrified of.

It's every man for himself country, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, if I can afford to fly off to warmer climes, you can too, you're just too dumb and lazy to get a cushy job like mine.

by slainte39 Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:38 pm

cerebrozo wrote:
ferret wrote: I think their energy commission oughta go on a road trip to Edmonton and learn a thing or two.

Plan B... thanks. Silly buggers. They need a plan B.

Question for you: Would officials in Edmonton be prepared to deal with power problems that would occur if temperatures there were to exceed 40° (104°F) for five consecutive days?

Another.........

"But what about????...........QUESTION.
Edmonton, of all places...Why not ask about Nome, Alaska???

by MexicoPete Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:21 pm

My Calgary relatives said is not called Edmonton, but rather it is called Edmonchuck and that it is a suburb of Millet, you know, the Millet Oilers. And that in Edmonchuck they actually charge PST, but nowhere else in that province.

But, I could be wrong cause I am from down south in Seattle

by MexicoPete Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:57 pm

Oh, and before I forget, our friend, Pedro, is also from Millet.

by mudgirl Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:46 pm

cerebrozo wrote: But I was posing a rhetorical question: To what extent is the power grid in the north designed with heat dissipation and cooling mechanisms needed to prevent damage to distribution and transmission equipment that would be caused by an extended period of high temperatures?

You seem to be rather uninformed about Canadian weather. There are plenty of places that get that hot in the summer in Canada. In the interior of British Columbia where I was picking fruit for several summers, there was about 5 days straight of those temps. People were hot, but no one considered it some disaster situation and the infrastructure certainly didn't break down.

We just spent the days at the river when we were done with work.

by mudgirl Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:51 pm

Smartalex wrote:In Texas, this is the third time since the 1980s they have had serious transmission problems with their grid due to extreme cold...and they have done nothing to fix it.

Everything's bigger in Texas, except brains.

by ComputerGuy Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:50 am

cerebrozo wrote:
BisbeeGal wrote:
cerebrozo wrote:
ferret wrote: I think their energy commission oughta go on a road trip to Edmonton and learn a thing or two.

Plan B... thanks. Silly buggers. They need a plan B.

Question for you: Would officials in Edmonton be prepared to deal with power problems that would occur if temperatures there were to exceed 40° (104°F) for five consecutive days?

Edmonton and other provinces, as well as almost all US states, maintain cross-province and cross-state grid share systems. Canada and the US also share access to each others grid, when blackouts occur in either country.

Texas, being Texas, never wanted to share with its neighbors, so it designed a stand-alone energy grid. If they had a shared grid system as do all other US states, it would have been subject to regulatory laws (including having to share). Texas, being Texas, felt it was better than its neighbors and felt its stand-alone system would work just fine for Texas with the added bonus of never having to share with its neighbors.

So, there they are, cold, frozen and unable to get any aid from their neighbors. Just the way they wanted it.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/16/texas-power-grid-why-state-has-its-own-operated-ercot/6765007002/

I understand Canada has a superior supply system. But I was posing a rhetorical question: To what extent is the power grid in the north designed with heat dissipation and cooling mechanisms needed to prevent damage to distribution and transmission equipment that would be caused by an extended period of high temperatures?

What does that mean exactly, "the north"?

by ComputerGuy Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:52 am

There is absolutely no proof that Cruz actually tweeted this in 2016. But so what?

"I'll believe in global warming when Texas freezes over."

by DuckieHoomever Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:38 am

Another take on Cruz, relevant to my southern neighbors.
https://twitter.com/julieroginsky/status/1362783438315610117

(Surprised this topic hasn't been force-marched over to The Octagon yet.)

by kiko Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:01 am

mudgirl wrote:
ferret wrote:Considering the number of hurricanes that Texas gets, seceding from the U.S. and FEMA help should not be under consideration. They just gotta learn how to share. No man (state) is an island.

Yeah, but that would smack of the dreaded 'socialism' they're so terrified of.

It's every man for himself country, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, if I can afford to fly off to warmer climes, you can too, you're just too dumb and lazy to get a cushy job like mine.

I get the sarcasm, however, the truth is that they (aka White Texas Republicans) really do believe that.

by ferret Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:57 am

This breaks my heart...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/extreme-cold-killed-texans-bedrooms-144620898.html

by ferret Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:46 pm

Even the people whose electricity didn't go off are paying the price...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/his-lights-stayed-on-during-texas-storm-now-he-owes-16-752/ar-BB1dRHYQ

by BisbeeGal Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:58 pm

Let them eat cake (or ice)............

by CHILLIN Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:01 pm

mudgirl wrote:
cerebrozo wrote: But I was posing a rhetorical question: To what extent is the power grid in the north designed with heat dissipation and cooling mechanisms needed to prevent damage to distribution and transmission equipment that would be caused by an extended period of high temperatures?

You seem to be rather uninformed about Canadian weather. There are plenty of places that get that hot in the summer in Canada. In the interior of British Columbia where I was picking fruit for several summers, there was about 5 days straight of those temps. People were hot, but no one considered it some disaster situation and the infrastructure certainly didn't break down.

We just spent the days at the river when we were done with work.

I used to employ this guy who said he had worked one summer picking fruit. Every year the farmer would employ two women/girls from Quebec, who liked to work stark naked, and work on their all over tans. Of course the young men were all starry eyed, and stayed on the whole season. Now that is imagination!

by mudgirl Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:15 pm

kiko wrote:

I get the sarcasm, however, the truth is that they (aka White Texas Republicans) really do believe that.

Well the thing about sarcasm and humor are that they only work if they are based on truth.

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