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Post by Plan B on Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:27 am

Saw this at Costco this week. It may be an idea to have this available at LCS, The American Legion and any other location that groups congregate at. Red Cross would benefit from this as well.

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Post by Trailrunner on Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:47 am

Cruz Roja has a defibrillator/monitor LifePack 10 and a few AEDs. Don't know if they are all operational though . . .

This is a good idea and something to put some effort behind, I think. Would be good, additionally, to find a place open longer hours or with longer access times and somebody usually in attendance. Maybe the churches? Conflict of interest? 😊

Of course accompanying CPR is mandatory as well as rapid Advanced Life Support for follow up in order to have a successful outcome.
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Post by Jreboll on Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:56 pm

Sometime ago we had a big discussion on this subject after our resident lawyer said he might put one in his office.

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:45 am

Problem being you also need someone around who knows when and how to use it, then all the additional stuff mentioned above.

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Post by Trailrunner on Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:54 am

Right, and we already have that. Call Cruz Roja 765 2308. Sometimes it's best not to try and reinvent the wheel.
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Post by Plan B on Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:38 am

Trailrunner wrote:Right, and we already have that. Call Cruz Roja 765 2308. Sometimes it's best not to try and reinvent the wheel.

The time issue is a concern, since Cruz Roja has to get to you, whereas the unit available at the point of need is already there. They are available with automated verbal commands.
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Post by Trailrunner on Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:27 am

That is true and that is the dilemma. How do you put them everywhere? If you're worried about yourself, you can buy one for your house. And your neighbors.
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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:23 pm

But how does a novice know if someone drops it is a heart attack. I would have no idea.

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Post by Trailrunner on Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:17 pm

You don't know and you don't need to know.

If a person drops in front of you, your job is to determine if they have a pulse or not. If they have no pulse start CPR. If there is an AED, apply the pads the machine will do the rest. Call 911 or whatever # will get paramedics there rapidly. Meantime, continue CPR.

Maybe we should have a CPR class swarm. lol!

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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:38 pm

I wouldn't even be able to tell if someone had a pulse or not. I could probably tell if they were breathing or not......lol. Would using this device on someone who was passed out but not having a heart attack cause any damage??

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Post by Plan B on Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:01 pm

CanuckBob wrote:I wouldn't even be able to tell if someone had a pulse or not. I could probably tell if they were breathing or not......lol. Would using this device on someone who was passed out but not having a heart attack cause any damage??
Danger from unneeded defibrillation?
AEDs provide step-by-step visual and voice prompts to allow even untrained bystanders to use the device correctly, and include a safety feature that prevents unneeded shocks.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/danger-from-unneeded-defibrillation
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Post by CanuckBob on Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:04 pm

Cool!

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Post by Trailrunner on Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:07 pm

No, because the machine is able to detect tthe heart rhythm and it won't deliver a shock unless it's appropriate. It IS dangerous, however, to do CPR on a person whose heart is fine. Check for a pulse before doing CPR.
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Post by Trailrunner on Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:41 am

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Post by Plan B on Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:52 am

Trailrunner wrote:

https://www.procpr.org/blog/training/cpr-chest-compression-rate

Here’s a playlist of songs to learn CPR to:
“Stayin’ Alive” – Bee Gees – 103 BPM
“Dancing Queen” – ABBA – 100 BPM
“Cecilia” – Simon & Garfunkel – 102 BPM
“Hard To Handle” – The Black Crowes – 104 BPM
“Can’t Stop the Feeling” – Justin Timberlake – 113 BPM (This is an original song from the movie “Trolls”)
“Rock Your Body” – Justin Timberlake – 100 BPM
“I Will Survive” – Gloria Gaynor – 117 BPM
“MMMBop” – Hanson – 104 BPM
“Girls Just Want to Have Fun” – Cyndi Lauper – 120 BPM
“Just Dance” – Lady Gaga, Colby O’Donis – 119 BPM
“Something Just Like This” – The Chainsmokers, Coldplay – 103 BPM
“Rumour Has It” – Adele – 120 BPM
“Fly” – Sugar Ray – 100 BPM
“Hips Don’t Lie” – Shakira – 100 BPM
“Work It” – Missy Elliott – 102 BPM
“Suddenly I See” – KT Tunstall – 100 BPM
“Crazy” – Gnarls Barkley – 112 BPM
“Man in the Mirror” – Michael Jackson – 100 BPM
“One Week” – Barenaked Ladies – 113 BPM
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Post by Trailrunner on Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:42 am

In case you don't know Ken Jeong, he is a popular comedian as well as a prominent ER doc.
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