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DEF for newer diesel trucks

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Post by mwool Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:39 pm

Has anyone seen this for sale anywhere?
Last I checked, not at Walmart, Autozone or Orma auto parts.
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Post by Wide Sky Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:14 pm

Found this company in MX; NOW all you have to do is find a distributor.

https://www.noxguard.mx/urea-automotriz/

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Post by CanuckBob Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:23 pm

Have you checked any of the Pemex's that sell diesel fuel?

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Post by MexicoPete Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:30 pm

OK I admit I am dumb. What the hell or heck is DEF?

Going to Google didn't help much.

Here is one of the definitions given by Mr. Google


def abbreviation

Medical Definition of def

1 defecation

2 deficient

3 definite

It get's even crazier as I dig deeper :)
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Post by ltollefs Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:32 pm

DEF, MOS DEF. An entertainer, or something.

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Post by CanuckBob Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:34 pm

Diesel Exhaust Fluid. It is a government mandated additive to reduce diesel emission's. Pretty much any diesel powered vehicle produced for Canada or the USA after 2010 or 11 require it.

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Post by mwool Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:20 pm


Thanks Bob for the definition.
I inquired at every fill-up from the border to here, but none of the stations even knew what it was.
I looked at the link posted above but no mention of distribution so I sent them an email. Fingers crossed.....
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Post by CanuckBob Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:03 pm

Yeah, I don't think Mexico has mandated it's use yet hence the reason it is hard to find.

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Post by RickS Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Most (all?) newer diesel vehicles will throw up a lot of warnings if the DEF tank starts getting low. Some will actually NOT start after the vehicle’s DEF tank is empty. Others will reduce the vehicle’s speed to 5-10 mph until the DEF tank is filled back up.
YMMV

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Post by mwool Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:14 pm

The problem is that these newer diesel engines are meant to run on the less polluting, ultra-low sulfur fuel which is not widely available in MX. Their "dirtier" diesel fuel mucks up the engine much faster, hence, more DEF is used here. Still can't find it.....
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Post by Trailrunner Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:18 pm

Have you asked the dealerships here that sell those vehicles? Checked Amazon? Asked Felipe at the taller next to Telecable?
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Post by CanuckBob Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:20 pm

I think the Mexican diesel vehicle's don't require the DEF.....yet. I would talk with some of the large Mexican trucking companies who transport all the way into the USA and Canada. I suspect they would have to meet the emission standards up there.

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Post by mwool Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:53 pm

The diesels engines made in MX for the MX market are different. They are not as clean, and do not require ultra low-sulfur fuel or DEF. And other than some border towns and CDMX, there isn't much of that fuel. Even the fleet Mercedes Sprinters vans (DHL, Estafeta, UPS, Jumex) don't use/need the low-sulfur or DEF.
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Post by mwool Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:56 pm

Good idea to check with the big international haulers. You would think they would be required to follow the current regs, maybe not.
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Post by RVGRINGO Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:29 pm

They, the Mexican truckers, drop their trailers just beyond the border, where they are picked up by US trucks. Then, the Mexican trucks hook up to southbound trailers.

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Post by mwool Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:12 pm

Autozone in front of Walmart now carries DEF.
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Post by CanuckBob Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:31 pm

Excellent. I will make a note of that for future requests. Thanks for reporting back.

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Post by borderreiver Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:39 pm

OK call me crazy but been told by a fellow Teamster/Dreamster just now that the major component of the DEF formula is pig urine (uric acid). This conjures up a lot of images of the necessary accumulation.
it appears the onboard computer decides when to inject this shit to clean out the pipes, so to speak. This explains why a newer deisel truck will suddenly beltch black dreck for 5 seconds or so. Isn't that swell.
So, please be mindful when peeing into that hole .
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Post by RickS Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:23 pm

Oh, more urban rumors....

"DEF fluid is composed of Urea and deionized water. Pig urine (or cow, horse, even human) is largely urea and many people refer to DEF as pig urine even though the majority of DEF on the market is not made using animal byproducts. Regardless, the name has stuck."
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