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Post by Problem Child on Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:57 am

Please PM me.

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Post by ltollefs on Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:30 am

Why Windows 7? As operating systems go it's a dinosaur. Almost 10 years old, and Microsoft will be terminating support for it in 2020. Unless you have a specific need for Windows, I'd suggest giving one of the many Linux distributions a spin. Almost all are free, (some commercial offerings, targeting the business world, are not). In many cases Linux is simpler to operate than Windows, and is certainly easier than Windows 10, and the update process is far faster, and much less aggravating than what Windows is. Linux will run better on old hardware as well. And applications are free.


From a Windows Fanboy site...

"Microsoft usually ends mainstream support five years after the release of an operating system, which then pushes it into extended support. This period usually runs for another five years too, but you get less support. Essentially it means the company stops adding new features and ends complimentary support for that version of Windows. But it still provides bug fixes and patches. This applies to Microsoft’s business, developer and desktop operating system products."

"Microsoft Windows support lifecycle end dates..."

"Windows operating system      Latest update or service pack      End of mainstream support      End of extended support"
"Windows 7                             Service Pack 1                           13 January 2015                     14 January 2020"
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Post by Problem Child on Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:11 am

ltollefs wrote:Why Windows 7? As operating systems go it's a dinosaur. Almost 10 years old, and Microsoft will be terminating support for it in 2020. Unless you have a specific need for Windows, I'd suggest giving one of the many Linux distributions a spin. Almost all are free, (some commercial offerings, targeting the business world, are not). In many cases Linux is simpler to operate than Windows, and is certainly easier than Windows 10, and the update process is far faster, and much less aggravating than what Windows is. Linux will run better on old hardware as well. And applications are free.
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IMO and from everything I have read, and it is considerable, W7 is basically better than W10 for many reasons. Also, with the current disaster with the last update to W10 (I assume you have read about it), I just want out of W10. Some have said, W7 is the best MS put out; if it ain't broke - - - - -

If needed, there are computer techs here that can work on W7.

My needs are very basic: Email, Word, download and read pdf, etc. And my only attachment is a printer.

I don't do gaming or streaming on the computer, nor multitasking, number crunching, etc.

As for memory, I have a 1tb external drive.

That's why


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Post by ltollefs on Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:37 am

OK, fair enough. I never overlook an opportunity to evangelize for Linux, and just like the JWs, who never fail to knock at the most inconvenient time, I get rejection after rejection, but still I keep knockin'.
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Post by Problem Child on Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:54 am

ltollefs wrote:OK, fair enough. I never overlook an opportunity to evangelize for Linux, and just like the JWs, who never fail to knock at the most inconvenient time, I get rejection after rejection, but still I keep knockin'.

I asked Mike the Computer Guy about any other OS and he said Linux, however there is a real learning curve from Windows.

I'm seeing W7 originals online for US$35, if this is legit, maybe I'm best to do that and wipe the XP I have on an older PC and install W7.

You clearly are a computer person since I'm guessing, few ppl here even know Linux.

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Post by ferret on Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:11 am

OOOOh… NOOOOO! XP is much better than W7 imho. If you can find techs that will work on W7 then they must exist to work on the XP. I have W10 and I still miss XP... mostly for its "move to" option. It was superb for moving multiple photos to a designated folder. This drag and drop shit is for Neanderthals.
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Post by Problem Child on Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:29 am

ferret wrote:OOOOh… NOOOOO! XP is much better than W7 imho. If you can find techs that will work on W7 then they must exist to work on the XP. I have W10 and I still miss XP... mostly for its "move to" option. It was superb for moving multiple photos to a designated folder. This drag and drop shit is for Neanderthals.

Since it costs nothing and I have an original XP on one of my leftover PCs, I'll boot it up and play w/it.I just want out of W10 on my laptop.

Right now, I need a fresh install of W10 since my computer is sooooooo slow it's pathetic.

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Post by mattoleriver on Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:47 am

Itolefs,
I agree with you on the subject of Linux. Just be careful that you don't become the "go to guy" for all the helpless geezers that you've talked into trying Linux.

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I'm surprised that Computer Guy would mention Linux, he has a vested interest in keeping people using Windows. The truth is that switching between Windows and Linux is about as complicated as switching between Ford and Chevy. Very few things cannot be simply worked around and for those that can't you would call Itolefs.;)
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Post by ltollefs on Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:48 pm

mattoleriver wrote:Itolefs,
I agree with you on the subject of Linux. Just be careful that you don't become the "go to guy" for all the helpless geezers that you've talked into trying Linux.

Little worry there. In almost 5 years of trying to hook the masses on open source goodness I've yet to pull in anyone. No interest, usually because a-friend-who's-an-expert (they're quite plentiful lakeside) says it's really hard to learn.
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Post by Problem Child on Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:51 pm

It took me a couple of years to give up DOS,and I still have an original W95 disk. Learning curves are frustrating for me.

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Post by MexicoPete on Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:55 am

You really should consider updating to Win98. It is so much better. I still have it on an old computer up north.

WinXP just has too many problems. Good luck
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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:18 am

MexicoPete wrote:You really should consider updating to Win98. It is so much better. I still have it on an old computer up north.

WinXP just has too many problems. Good luck

My wife has a W7 and maybe I can talk her into a swap. She only uses it for email and Word.

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Post by CanuckBob on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:33 am

Get yourself a 28K baud modem and an AOL account and you will be in business.

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Post by ltollefs on Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:58 am

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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:39 am

CanuckBob wrote:Get yourself a 28K baud modem and an AOL account and you will be in business.

My issue is W-10 and its current disaster.

Thanks.

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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:11 pm

Thirty-five days after Microsoft withdrew the Windows 10 October 2018 Update from all distribution, the Redmond, Wash. company has yet to restart delivery.

The delay has no precedent in Windows 10 and has gone on significantly longer than instances in prior editions when updates, most of them security fixes, had to be pulled and then later re-released.
[ Related: Windows 10 October 2018 Update: Key enterprise features ]

Microsoft debuted the fall feature upgrade, also known as 1809 in the firm's yymm format, on Oct. 2. Four days later - Oct. 6 - it retracted the release by yanking it from the Windows Update service and warning users who had downloaded it to trash the disk image. The reason: Some users - Microsoft said 1/100th of 1% - reported that the upgrade deleted all files in several folders, including the important Documents and Photos directories.

On Oct. 9, Microsoft told those who had installed the upgrade to stay off their PCs and to call a toll-free number for help in possibly recovering some of the deleted files.

(Computerworld selected Oct. 6 as the start date for the delay because it was then that Microsoft halted dissemination.)

The last word on 1809 was more than four weeks ago, when John Cable, director of program management in the Windows servicing group, told customers that bugs had been fixed. But rather than again putting the general public at risk, the company handed the re-release to those who had volunteered to test the OS by signing up with the Windows Insider preview program.

And that's where it remains.
[ Got a spare hour? Take this online course and learn how to install and configure Windows 10 with the options you need. ]

Other pauses - Microsoft's term for stopping the upgrade - have been much shorter, with the company typically rolling out a re-release within a handful of days. For example, a 2008 security patch meant to plug a hole in Windows' implementation of Bluetooth was re-issued in nine days. Earlier that same year, Microsoft took eight days to come up with a rejiggered fix for a math bug a previous patch had inserted into Excel. And in 2012, Microsoft re-released Office 2011 for Mac SP2 (Service Pack 2) five days after pulling it from distribution.

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Post by conejorapido on Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:51 pm

Windows 10 is hardly the disaster you describe. Been using it since it was released without issue and I spend a considerable time every day on my pc.

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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:59 pm

conejorapido wrote:Windows 10 is hardly the disaster you describe. Been using it since it was released without issue and I spend a considerable time every day on my pc.

That was a cut/paste on the issue. You, I and millions of others, are only single data points in a base of millions of Wq0 usrs. . Note that the article said it was a limited release only to those who opted to take/try it.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:05 pm

It is customary when cutting and pasting to use quote marks and provide attribution so people reading your post are not lead to believe you have written it.
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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Lady Otter Latté wrote:It is customary when cutting and pasting to use quote marks and provide attribution so people reading your post are not lead to believe you have written it.

Thanks for the reminder.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Problem Child wrote:
Lady Otter Latté wrote:It is customary when cutting and pasting to use quote marks and provide attribution so people reading your post are not lead to believe you have written it.

Thanks for the reminder.

You’re welcome. Knew you would understand because it is the principal of the thing and you are big on that.
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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:01 pm

Lady Otter Latté wrote:
Problem Child wrote:
Lady Otter Latté wrote:It is customary when cutting and pasting to use quote marks and provide attribution so people reading your post are not lead to believe you have written it.

Thanks for the reminder.

You’re welcome. Knew you would understand because it is the principal of the thing and you are big on that.

I don't know if there is any "principle" involved, but it's just the right way to do it. Thanks again.

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Post by Lady Otter Latté on Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:18 pm

There most assuredly is a principle involved. (Just in case you need a hint: plagiarism.)


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Post by Problem Child on Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Well either way, I appreciate it being pointed out to me. It will help me be a better communicator.

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Post by ltollefs on Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:00 am

conejorapido wrote:Windows 10 is hardly the disaster you describe. Been using it since it was released without issue and I spend a considerable time every day on my pc.

Actually, it is a disaster. You seem to think that your experience is universal. It isn't.

https://news.softpedia.com/news/windows-10-version-1809-bugs-may-have-impacted-a-significant-number-of-users-523559.shtml
https://news.softpedia.com/news/how-microsoft-ignores-millions-of-windows-10-version-1809-users-523718.shtml
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/10/06/microsoft-windows-10-update-lost-data-upgrade-windows-7-windows-xp-free-upgrade/#5be096bc6fa4
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